EVE General Discussion

Stop lying. All that remains if this is changed is the same suicide ganking we've pretty much always had.

You know fine well that it is a 'buff'' to safety, and a 'nerf' to aggression, fun and emergent content, depending on your perspective.

If you are a clueless carebear sitting there in your barge, this is a buff to your safety. Not that you'll know about this for another month or so, it's not like those people have corp-mates or are engaged with chatting with people. And if they do have friends, well then they've already managed to overcome this 'issue' and don't need this change then. And for those who don't have friends and sit in the npc corps or a 1 man corp, it's not like the threat of wardecs or theft isn't still there, so the changes do nothing for you. If however you are a rascally scoundrel who is 'being the villain' , or simply somebody who cares about the future of this game and the direction it is heading, then it is yet another nerf in a long series of nerfs. The privateers were killed off, can-flipping is nearly dead and now you are gunning for the awoxers. This change doesn't directly affect me, I've not awoxed anybody, and wasn't planning to for a while. It's still a horrible change, and is quite heavy handed. It will destroy a play-style in a large section of the game, as surely as removing all asteroids from high-sec would.

that's not awoxing, that's suicide ganking.



repping awoxers incurs nothing, and that's what's so broken about the whole thing.



depends what side of the fence you're on. i'm personally not on the side of the drooling mouth breathers who can't do basic recruitment checks. *shrug*


anyway, that's all from me tonight. bed is calling.

Wow thanks for reply. I am however surprised by the aggression you are venting on me.

The above occurrences are some of the fun moments I had as a new Eve player 8 years ago. My post was querying whether new players who come into the game now will have the option of learning the principles of PVP in a safe environment before venturing out into uncontrolled space.

New pilots who wish to learn are gold in this game. If removing the ability to practise shooting your friends makes learning pvp harder for new players it will make it harder for players to gain the basic skills needed in low or 0.0.

If the dueling system allows a range of possible options 6 vs 2, late arrivals after duel has started etc by all means remove the ability of players to ruin a corp for mere giggles with no consequence.

If the dueling system can not allow a full range of PVP options that a new player will face in low then it needs to be modified hand in hand with awox removing.

Is that ok with you Syn Shi?

This is getting silly.

You know what... nerf all of hi-sec. Make it as safe as the carebear wants. Issue pillows... but reduce the amount of ISK that can be made there. Simple.

You can play and fly in complete safety, but your gains will be small. Want to be mega rich? Then you need to take some risk and move to null or low... want those other ores? You need to leave hi-sec.. in fact the only mineral you should be able to get in hi-sec is trit.
No ratting in hi-sec... cause hi-sec is safe, there are no rats. All missions can be "delivery boy", or "make me a spoon", or something... for the appropriate reward.

It's a very simple solution that I'm sure will keep everyone happy. The carebear gets to "do his/her thing" in complete safety and silence, since they are not losing ships or pods, they don't need that much in ISK rewards, and those that want the rough and tumble, and go for the big rewards for the risk involved, get the big pay outs and action for leaving Hi-sec.

Make it happen CCP so we can get on with the game and you guys can spend time creating interesting stuff instead of more nerfs.

No, you can't. It would be suicide ganking instead, which already exists.

Enough of your lies. If lies and lore bullshit are all the carebear community can dredge up to justify this, you are even more pathetic than I thought you were.

New players make mistakes. A 3 month old playing in a falcon for the first time with his corp buddies doesn't need to lose it cause he doesn't know the implications of his actions.

I am not against awoxers receiving equitable consequences with other flagged criminals. I am all for helping new players learn as many aspects of Eve as possible in their own time frame not being forced to play the way everyone else does in a sand box.

This is basically the solution to all of EVE's problems.

(Not based in hi sec, never been awoxxed)

This is a good change, it's a dumb mechanic.

We know where it came from, but it's been adopted more broadly. Check your history. Corp ganking predates the awox term, they've just become interchangable.


Fair enough, highsec clearly means nothing to you. You pull your recruits directly into null and assimilate them into the scrub-machine. But that's not the only path to a more engaged playstyle. These conflicts in highsec give players with the right attitude the chance to jump in. Where's the emphasis on promoting that attitude of engagement and competition by creating more devices for conflict? The squealers are likely just looking for a reason to unsub anyway rather than admit they just don't get the the game, so what's the point of introducing these frankly stupid illusions of safety? That goddamn ENABLE SAFETY button, lmao. Seriously. Next there'll be a series of popup warnings you have to click through asking if you feel emotionally ready to undock (are you sure? no really? need a hug? it's dark out there....). It's a far cry from Aura sniggering 'Silly Pilot' in your ear isn't it? PARTIAL SAFETY engaged, wtf.


Some of us came here to play with the baddies.
The underlined passage of bullshit above could be applied to wardecs btw. Or recruitment scams :)

This is how my early corp responded to months of continual wardecs in Highsec whilst building up the corp to go to null. We're not all criers. I'm aware it will be modded, but that kill (of a highsec griefer who did nothing but gob off in local and dodge fights) gave our corp the impetus to strike out into null. The only person who awoxed in an earlier corp was removed and blacklisted by everyone we knew, then quit playing that alt. The guy who robbed corp hangars and towers was repaid 2 years later when we dec'd his corp and removed his tower. None of these events affected player retention at a corp level - we helped each other out. That's the point of playing in a group, so the whinging about awoxing seems a bit bizarre in the first place unless everyone in Highsec is playing in corps full of wankers who don't help each other out when needed.

Removing awoxing won't address the root of the problem. The NPE is poor, rookies are clueless, there's too much information for them to take in solo, and - I really don't like saying this, but it's true - far too many of them are introverted drooling nerds who don't want to engage with other players in the first place. Honestly, it's unbelievable that this needs to be spelled out. People with a brain who want to join a corp accept the risks, and if they lose stuff get over it. Wierd navel gazing farmers don't - because they don't have the self awareness, social skills or intellect to do so. Cushioning them won't do anything to improve retention rates and interraction because they are transient players in the first place without the ability to move beyond that level. Although I suppose as per Gevlon's suggestion CCP could start stroking them purely to extract a few extra month of subs.