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[Phoebe] Value increase for low-end blue loot

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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#61 - 2014-11-03 10:11:31 UTC
Ah, I should probably have mentioned that that was for a Magnetar. Will be much much slower in a normal c4, with command posts maybe even impossible solo.

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King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#62 - 2014-11-03 12:57:16 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Ah, I should probably have mentioned that that was for a Magnetar. Will be much much slower in a normal c4, with command posts maybe even impossible solo.


That explains. Command Posts are still soloable, but can take 30 minutes.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#63 - 2014-11-03 14:09:52 UTC
I personally am hoping that these revisions to blue loot will allow me to finally launch my dream of an AU timezone wh/lowsec corp. I've tried every other mode of life barring npc nullsec. Wormholes is next on my checklist of things to do. Maybe I'll even get lucky. Or die horribly.
Niskin
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#64 - 2014-11-03 14:50:33 UTC
I ran a Frontier Checkpoint (or whatever it's called, the lowest combat anon in a C2) and got 21 Neural Network Analyzers and 12 Sleeper Data Libraries.

The tooltips for these items list them at ~70k ISK and 240k ISK resepectively, I assume those are what the NPC buy orders are right now? If so the NNA's would be worth 1.5m ISK and the SDL's would be worth 2.8m ISK at current prices. Under the new prices that would be 4.2m ISK for the NNA's and 6m ISK for the SDL's.

So I'm a happy camper.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#65 - 2014-11-03 14:59:22 UTC
as disgruntled as i am over the additional ISK faucet this creates, i cannot deny that low-end wormhole income is ludicrously low at present. i can literally make more ISK/hr running hisec lvl4s than running C1, C2 and probably also C3 anoms, and that's not even considering the risk involved in the latter.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#66 - 2014-11-03 15:04:01 UTC
Niskin wrote:
I ran a Frontier Checkpoint (or whatever it's called, the lowest combat anon in a C2) and got 21 Neural Network Analyzers and 12 Sleeper Data Libraries.

The tooltips for these items list them at ~70k ISK and 240k ISK resepectively, I assume those are what the NPC buy orders are right now? If so the NNA's would be worth 1.5m ISK and the SDL's would be worth 2.8m ISK at current prices. Under the new prices that would be 4.2m ISK for the NNA's and 6m ISK for the SDL's.

So I'm a happy camper.

The tooltip shows some kind of average market price, and prices for that stuff have already risen a little because people buy them over the current npc price. So the tooltip price is slightly higher than the actual current value (but still a lot lower than the actual value this stuff has after tomorrow's patch).

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Marsan
#67 - 2014-11-03 15:12:40 UTC
What about C4s? This is great for c1-3, but this doesn't give people a reason to go to a C4 over a C3. C4 sites require a pair of ships to run yet return only marginally more than C3s. (Less if you are calulating isk per hour.) Really the C4 site need a better reward level or need to be easier.

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HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2014-11-03 15:21:31 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
Daniel Plain wrote:
as disgruntled as i am over the additional ISK faucet this creates, i cannot deny that low-end wormhole income is ludicrously low at present. i can literally make more ISK/hr running hisec lvl4s than running C1, C2 and probably also C3 anoms, and that's not even considering the risk involved in the latter.


Then you are doing it horribly wrong or found a way to earn more than 100M ISK / hour from L4 Missionrunning in HiSec.
As written on the last page C2 is worst wormhole class, but solo no Problem to reach 100M ISK / hour and possible to increase that if you start getting more efficent. My C1 statistic says currently 128M ISK / hour and I was not very good at the beginning. Could reduce completion time for anoms from the beginning to now by 25-30% approximately.

C3 anoms with a Paladin is far beyond that figure of C2 and C1s, so if you earn more by L4 missions, you found a secret way of doing them which was never disclosed before or you have no idea on how to do wormhole anoms the efficient way!

Marsan wrote:
What about C4s? This is great for c1-3, but this doesn't give people a reason to go to a C4 over a C3. C4 sites require a pair of ships to run yet return only marginally more than C3s. (Less if you are calulating isk per hour.) Really the C4 site need a better reward level or need to be easier.


I have seen People who are familiar with C4 telling, that increase for C4 is as well somewhere around 20-30%, which is quite a lot. So I don't get your point?

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#69 - 2014-11-04 12:03:54 UTC
Just a FYI: the affected NPC corporations are being a bit stubborn and resisting the Inner Circle's directive. They'll be brought in line soon enough.

In other words the price changes didn't take effect over the patch downtime as expected, because the old NPC market orders didn't properly clear to make way for the new orders. We're working on getting this fixed as I type.

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Agrippa Arkaral
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2014-11-04 12:05:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Agrippa Arkaral
edit: ninja'd by above
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#71 - 2014-11-04 12:07:31 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Just a FYI: the affected NPC corporations are being a bit stubborn and resisting the Inner Circle's directive. They'll be brought in line soon enough.

In other words the price changes didn't take effect over the patch downtime as expected, because the old NPC market orders didn't properly clear to make way for the new orders. We're working on getting this fixed as I type.


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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#72 - 2014-11-04 13:02:56 UTC
Ok. We can't reset all of the orders completely without disrupting the market so we're going to do that over downtime tomorrow. In the meantime it appears that selling one item to one of the NPC buy orders causes the order to use the new price for all future transactions, but that workaround isn't available in regions that have higher priced regional orders.

TL:DR is we're gonna fix this over downtime tomorrow.

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Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#73 - 2014-11-04 18:05:19 UTC
Awesome. Also love that the new patch was so small.

Fozzie as a question indirectly about wormhole occupancy iirc you said in the minutes that spawn rates for sites in unpopulated/unvisoted jspace would become 3 days before they despawn? Is this change to facilitate a more moderated chance of consistent income long term or is the system asyet unchanged and the jspace with all those sigs still needs to be accessed to get the countdowns rolling? I'm trying to put together a corp and any kind of hint in regards to whether we want a buried hole or not would be great.

I'm sure some of this is already documented by players but finding it through the sea of garbage google brings up has proven taxing.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#74 - 2014-11-05 11:48:26 UTC
All fixed.

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Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2014-11-05 11:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Fluffi Flaffi
CCP Fozzie wrote:
All fixed.


All? Mass Spawn Distance? Frigate Holes?

When will we see your blog about development in wormholes?

At least all the Traders who had several heart attacks yesterday can now calm down again Lol
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#76 - 2014-11-05 12:44:26 UTC
Fluffi Flaffi wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
All fixed.


All? Mass Spawn Distance? Frigate Holes?

When will we see your blog about development in wormholes?

At least all the Traders who had several heart attacks yesterday can now calm down again Lol


Mass spawn distance mechanic and frigate holes were also already added in the last expansion and both work well.

Try logging in?
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2014-11-05 13:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Fluffi Flaffi
NO? Don't say it has been introduced with Hyperion already? Honestly? Completely missed that jumping my Orca back and forth through wormholes. --> You seem to have problems with sarcasm, but I know it's difficult in a written form. Blink

And yes, sometimes I log in. Trust me. :)

Again: Nothing personal, but please stop telling me everything is fine in wormholes. Maybe for you, as you are part of a quite big alliance. But as you can see from 104 pages many others don't think that way. I accept everything is fine for you, so please accept our Impression as well.

PS: Waiting for your feedback on my reply on the statistics in the other thread.
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#78 - 2014-11-05 14:59:30 UTC
Nothing personal either but stop whining here that there's something wrong with wormholes. Maybe for you, as you are part of an NPC corp.

Back on topic, don't you think this change is good?
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2014-11-05 15:10:53 UTC
Yes, I think this one change (Phoebe & low-value-Blue-Loot increase) is good for wormholes. No doubt!
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#80 - 2014-11-05 17:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
Rabble Rabble

Yaay!!!!