Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You don't seem to understand how things work in wormholes. Currently we have to leave to get fuel or ice products to make fuel. These new holes don't change that, there will be no ice in our home holes. We will have to leave our homes to mine ice and we will have to do so in a system with no POS's. That means these systems will be part highway, part resource wonderland, and part PvP wasteland.

In addition to that it changes our choices for mining. Up until now you wouldn't catch me mining in anything but a Venture or maybe a Prospect. Now I have to make the call, do I bring in a Mining Barge for this or continue to buy ice/fuel in kspace? If I choose to bring in the Mining Barge then I'm going to be risking a more expensive ship in an area where everybody else will be bearing or shooting bears. The risk level seems fairly high, and it will be. While these new WH's are going to make our home holes a bit safer, they balance out by being more dangerous themselves.

And just to be clear, us having to leave for fuel isn't the only way we face risk. I don't know what kind of space you live in, but where I am if I'm outside a POS uncloaked and I haven't clicked "Scan" in the last 20 seconds I'm probably starting to twitch uncontrollably.

Stop posting, noob.

here a fix to everything, Prospect have a 10k Ore Hold just let them be able to use Ice strip miner.

Despite your poor choice of words with the term 'cave dwellers' you do make a very good point. The original mechanics did not intend to cater to permanent living, and logically it would make sense not to chanchange based on emergent behavior, even if it's unexpected. That said, w-space is the only space without ice materials; if we can say that having such things as an absent local, no gates and shifting exits, what's to say that introducing new content in the form of valuable resources makes things easier in any way?

It is not only likely, but expected that this will add more potential for combat to happen. If a w-space dweller doesn't have a static to empire space and they DO have access to an ice belt you can bet they'll be mining in it. And you can also bet that it's likely at some point there's someone else in the hole hunting for them.

The evidence is that unlike roid mining, ice mining for fuel for starbase would be necessary by default if they wanted to build fuel locally in a system that can build blocks (plasma planets would be a good bet since they can already build robotics from just the plenet materials there). There is greater incentive for mining ice, and in settings like that, the planet disposition for MAKING said blocks is clearly visible, and if there's an ice belt, a pirate and his buddies after find it's occupied can say, "Hey, this place looks like a good area to get some kills; they can build blocks from the planets here and they have a belt up. Who's up for some exhumer ganking?"


That's exactly WHY it would be a good opportunity for pvp; the belts are visibile on the ship scanner, so if the hole looks like it can support block production and is occupied, the forces there KNOW that the best place to look for a fight is either in their k-space exit hole or in the belt.
If it's a big group like No Holes Barred or Rooks and Kings, they can scout out the area first, and if it's a decent sized group sitting on the belt (no doubt there will be others in the hole running sites, ready to warp in at a moment's notice), they can plan out a devastating attack beforehand since they have scouted out the enemy fleet already. The ability to scout and and set up beforehand under cover is ideal for any attack force anyway:

"If i determine the disposition of enemy forces while I have no perceptable form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless; If it is formless, the deepest spy cannot discern it, nor the wise make plans against it." -Sun Tzu

TLDR: If you mine it, they will come.

It wouldn't be PVP, just a few more served up lame ganks.

The ice would take the head ache out of getting and moving it. Not really a problem though, you can make some huge stock piles of fuel blocks and only pick them up when you are linked to particular low population systems. Then you bring in another big stock pile quickly and pop the worm hole.

Just keep a small fleet on standby, a bubbler, combat scanner and two different sized ships ready to pop the hole. I still have a typhoon that I used exclusively for popping worm holes. I knew exactly what to fit to take down each hole and I could do it quickly. Anything fast enough to try sneak in gets snared in the bubble or can't cloak.



Especially if you want null to be self serving with their own trade hubs.

I would love to see destroyable gates being made between worm holes and null sec to worm holes. Say, one per alliance. (Possible chains but then you talk about weak links and reaction / flight times and have no cynos working)
Destroyable null sec gates would also be interesting. Re-route and close off your space. Have people making gates into your system, have to get into theirs to blow it up.