Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I believe the point behind the lack of ice in Wormhole systems is that you are not supposed to be entirely self sufficient (so you can't simply seal yourself off from the rest of the game).

I'll take your question and ask you, why should wormholers be self-sufficient?

Null sec depends on cheap goods from high sec and npc seeded items from there to function, to say nothing of the fact that Null needs the low end minerals from high sec to do any useful manufacturing. Why should Wormholes be any different in needing another area of space to function?

Simple; to force conflict.

Plus, no part of EVE is entirely self sufficient.

- high-sec requires high-end minerals/ice and moon materials from null-sec to perform anything other than Tech 1 industry... in addition to a supply of Pirate Faction, Officer, and other very high-end stuff.
- null-sec requires the vast, cheap workforce of high-sec to procure large amounts of low-end minerals as well as NPCs for skill books, faction mods, and "safe industry."
- low-sec relies on both high-sec and null-sec for... well... just about everything except security status.

Wormholes already allow people to mostly be self-sufficient in all but one major way; ice products for POS towers. In fact... wormholes allow you to be more self-sufficient than almost any other type of system out there.


When I say "sealed off" I am saying that you do not have to deal with people outside of your own turf.


See! Conflict! Working as intended!


The DEVs were orginally going to disable POSs from being anchored in WHs... but they figured that no one would do such a thing (due to the amount of effort involved in maintaining it) and let it be.
People then starting living in WHs and the DEVs were pleasantly surprised.

But the point still stands; if you have all the materials you need to be entirely self sufficient for what reason would you leave your system at all? How would you or other players be forced to interact with each other?

Shah dear,
even if wh-space would get some ice to fuel control towers, you still have to get out of your wh or all of that precious stuff you can collect isn't worth anything.

You can collect riches all day long for an entire lifetime but if you want to make isk, you need to exit the hole and sell it.

Funny and not so funny stuff can happen on the way - it's conflict I believe.

And for all intents and purposes you can have conflict all day long in w-space by just going there and warp to the next site on your scanner.

You can kill complex runners or you could de-spawn an Empire exit so that w-space inhabitants would have to take a route through low or nullsec.

For w-space to become "self-sufficient" you would need to drop an outpost egg and create a new w-space Jita. But you cannot claim sleeper-space or drop an outpost egg, nor did anyone ask for one.

Conflict is enough to be had and even more if you interrupt an ice-mining op.

You do like missing the point and getting angry don't you

I said exactly the same but suggested mining barges are somewhat unwieldy for the task. Hope that meets with your approval o/

Well i'm not sure if you have noticed or not but.... this is what we call an mmo. You are supposed to interact and trade with other people it breads content and conflict for all.


if you want to know the best way to get ice into your WH i find chaining to drone regions. I find one day can get you more then enough to run two large towers for a month

I seriously hope you intend to work on creating new/modifying existing sites to be more interactive and less like k-space. I would like to see something closer to the burner missions introduced a few patches ago.

Also please give the corax some extra grid. A friend was just showing me a few fits of his and 2-3 fitting mods just to fill his mids is kind of sad.

And don't be scared to comment on more threads we like to know what you think.

For Christ sake, just do us a favor and respond with a clear answer.

By being vague I can only assume that another torpedo nerf is incoming because we had an idea that would make our second lifes easier.

Or death to all POS. Come on the speculation

Nullsec shouldn't have to depend on hisec for its goods and neither should w-space.