Intergalactic Summit

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The Federation must be destroyed, Mr. Elle

This "ideal" is the most disgusting and destructive thing ever existed in human history. Either they will sober themselves and wake up from that dream, that gallenteans have put them into with their brainwashing, or they will cease to exist.


Ways of the State are for those, who wish to live with us and wish to learn. We are not nannies to just give our ways out of charity, let them find their own, or show their willingness to actually join us to be educated.
Our influence they will get only if they will decide it, thus chance of "rejecting" it is close to zero. More likely, that they would ask to adopt our ways in a many generations, if their own way they will find worse.


They can do whatever they want, just without gallenteans. If they will make their own, not Gallentean Federation, let them. This time our world won't be in the middle of whatever they will be doing, we won't be forced into this anymore, and they won't be our enemies.
Of course, if they will attack us for one reason or another, we will destroy their Federation as well.


Neither genocide, nor re-education. Both of these options are waste of resources on gallenteans, who don't deserve this.
Simple quarantine of their worlds will do the trick.

I repeat one more time, it is not our business what perspective they will be thinking, after we finish with the destruction.

The cleansing of ideas can be done by cleansing all the media, that enforces these ideas. In other words, every gallentean media should be either destroyed, or departed together with gallenteans into gallentean worlds. No more gallentean reels, no more gallentean news, no more gallentean art, books, advertisements. Cut ties between nations, and see, if they are smart to think for themselves without democratic brainwashing, or they are too weak and their brainwashing will persist.

No plans on whatever they will do and create. Just keep gallentean worlds quaranteened. Whatever other nations or gallentes on their quaranteened worlds will do, is not business of Caldari and doesn't worth single ISK spent.


Nobody says, that they will just surrender. No, they are just like blood liches, sucking all the juices from their prey. There is such variety of blood liches in Tsuguwa II, who put their teeth deep into your tissue and won't release, until you chop their head off. Only this will relax their muscles and allow to remove lifeless head from your skin. The Federation acts this way, until you chop its head off, it will continue to exploit poor beings, who were tricked into signing federation chapter.

And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.

I hate to disillusion you, but I've found the men of the Federation quite beatable.

However, the last time I traded shots with them (long story), I found that no small number of them are capable of fighting like maniacs. If not engaged carefully, one could easily end up with a very costly victory.



So, are you some kind of Gallente Kim?

Well, at least that rabblerouser has company.

Kim's a lost cause, so I don't direct this statement to her - I direct it to the consideration of people capable of rational discourse.

Consider that despite the fact that the Federation has never once had to fight a war for its own survival, our Navy is very much equipped to do so. I fully admit that the Federation could never really have won the first Gallente-Caldari war because the Federation Navy is simply not equipped to fight a war of conquest, which was essentially what that war was. The Federation's entire military structure has never been designed with the intention of invading and subjugating other nations - the one and only purpose of the Federation's military is to make anyone who dares threaten our interests or the safety of our citizens very, very sorry they did so. If you need a demonstration of their efficacy in this regard, see what happened when Uriam Kador decided he'd rather fancy a piece of Solitude.

The Federation's military might is also somewhat held in check by the fact that the vast majority of the time, the vast majority of our citizens have absolutely no interest in military action. The Hawks are most certainly the most vocal political superfaction but it's worth considering they're a vocal minority (and also worth noting that militant factions are usually the most vocal by their very nature) - most Federal citizens would rather eschew violence. The thing is, as we've seen many a time in New Eden, absolute pacifists tend to get taken advantage of by those with no such moral restraint. The Federation would rather not be at war - you can scoff all you want, but war's bad for politics, it's bad for business, it's bad for leisure and it's bad for personal liberties.

So what inspires the Federation's citizenry to approve military action? Genuine, demonstrable threats to our safety.

The Federation's military is not moral. I'm not going to waste time by pretending that it is, because military forces rarely are and ours is no exception. What the Federation's military happens to be is extremely good at, however, is destroying things. We have the second largest navy of the four great powers, and even though our fleet numbers less than a quarter of what the Amarr Empire can bring to bear, the simple discovery of our nation's existence changed their entire approach to cultural first contact overnight. We have the largest and most well-funded intelligence network in the known universe. We are the largest per-capita exporter in the cluster.

The State has been in a state of total war against us, but at no point in our history have we ever been in anything approaching a state of total war against them or anyone else - the State has never posed a military threat to the survival of the Federation (the threat the State posed, at least at the time, was more a sociopolitical one, and more by what the State's seccession represented than by the State itself). The Federation has never once had to turn the entirety of its social, industrial and military power towards the effort of defending itself - it has never needed to. Until Heth, there was never a threat to the Federation that could actually be construed as threatening its continued existence, and even Heth, though he perhaps might have liked to, never made this threat actually materialise.

The Federation has demonstrated - like all human societies in the past and present - that it is capable of utter atrocity if driven to extremity (and sometimes even if it isn't). If the Federation were to ever be faced with a threat so great it felt its future was in jeapordy, I can't even begin to imagine what we might do. It's certainly a question I wouldn't want answered. This is why sane Caldari, regardless of their distate for the Federation, do not advocate an all-out war with us.

There is a simple name for anyone who does - "fearless idiot."

A man can dream.

I'd read it.

Ms Kim I do apologise for having you repeat the same answer in your last transmission but I needed to make sure before I could come to any real conclusive conclusion as to effectiveness of your suggested stratagem and thought regarding the termination of the Federation.

Now to start off what after having sieved through all the facts and removed all the emotional factors along with any biased details so that I am left with nothing but pure cold logical fact I have found that while you have noted you did not intend for genocide of the Gallentean faction within the Federation you do seek their eradication along with their way of living and ideology.
Now while you have your reasons for this I have marked this particular factor of my results rather than discarded them as emotional biased factors so I might contemplate how you might logically achieve such an action.
Your explanation of how this would be achieved by the Caldari State relies heavily upon this ideology being a form of Brainwashing and that the other factions within the Federation would need to wake up to this, however I have run through this from multiple prospective finding it flawed in one major aspect.
This being the variable that it may well not be brainwashing but an actual social norm that the people of the Federation share.
In the same way the people of the Caldari trust and follow the directives and organisation of the State….and no Ms Kim I am not launching a verbal assault upon the Caldari State or denouncing it in any shape form or way.

Now let’s for arguments sake say it is a form of brainwashing Ms Kim please consider the implications of the other Factions within the Federation should they not as you put it wake up from this and continue to follow this ideology.
While you would have weakened the Federation the Ideology in which you seek to remove would still exist and yes I you can go on about this and that but the fact of the matter would remain it would still be alive.
Now say also that the Federation was wiped out in order to remove this ideology what about the Capsule pilots that still follow this Ideology, they would still be around and while destroying an entire race is one thing hunting down individual pilots in both High to low and to zero security status areas of space would from a logical and logistical stand point prove to be quite implausible.

Now this aside for a moment lets carry onto my actual conclusion on what we have been discussing, as with above I dissected the emotional and the biased factors and came to the conclusion that success in the destruction of the Gallentean would require the defeat of the Gallente Federation military forces.
Now this would require several factors from what I could tell.
First the Gallente Federation would need to be as inept as you believe them to be Ms Kim, if they are not then the whole stratagem possess the possibility failing.
Second that the factions within the Federation are indeed under some form of brainwashing by some form of Gallentean influence, if they are not again the stratagem holds the possibility of failing.
Lastly that the Caldari State actually decided to sanction such an action as well as utilise the stratagem you have put forward.
Of course this is merely a logical prospective performed with cold hard logic, and I have also performed this exact same stratagem with the Gallente Federation with the Caldari State and found the conclusions to be remarkable similar.
How ever I do respect your line of thought regarding your stratagem, your prospective is as all ways most interesting.

*Bows his head slightly in a respectful manner to the screen*

Welcome to the club, youngster. Verin and I have had to deal with it for years.

There is a great degree of irony in this statement.
I wonder if the lost child realises.

Gwen, at some point soon, we should speak.