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The State government (instructions for jaijii*)
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-10-27 13:07:54 UTC
Followed from https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5153658#post5153658
iyammarrok wrote:
Ok Diana. 2 quick questions

1) Who is/are the rightful ruler(s) of the Caldari State?

Diana Kim wrote:

1) The Megacorporations are. There is no single ruler in the Caldari State, as in your jaijii governments. Each corporation acts as a government for their citizens. Foreign policies are worked through CEP, and disputes between Megacorporations are solved in CBT. Both CEP and CBT, and even the Navy are owned by Megacorporations and serve them.

Liam Antolliere wrote:

To your first point, I would emphasize that the Federation does not have a single leader either. It has a president, but the president does not have absolute authority in the government, he is the head of a single branch of the government and his power is held in check by various governmental bodies, such as the Senate.

Yet Federation is centralized, as I heard by someone's reference, "fascist" government (I am not sure what does it mean, probably a gallentean word for describing their political regime, at least it was said it was fascist at the time when the State has seceded), where you have a President and other various bodies, as you said.

The State, compared to the Federation, has 8 different "Presidents" and 8 different "Senates", speaking in these terms so jaijii could understand. Of course they are not senates and presidents, they are board of directors and chief executive officers in the corporations.

Using again analogues, you can imagine the State as a model for our whole cluster, where Eight Megacorporations are like our Four Empires with their own Navies, the CBT and CEP are the CONCORD, and Caldari Navy acts as DED of CONCORD.

((* jaijii = foreigner in Napanii language))

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#2 - 2014-10-27 13:32:10 UTC
(( Thanks for explaining JaiJii, been wondering about that))
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#3 - 2014-10-27 14:10:15 UTC
I was unaware this community was so lenient on the use of pejoratives in thread titles.

Good to know...
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-10-27 14:31:46 UTC
Vizage wrote:
I was unaware this community was so lenient on the use of pejoratives in thread titles.

Good to know...


This Galnet forum is like a plaza in Federation-governed settlements. Anyone can shout anything and we are all free to participate or ignore as we please.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#5 - 2014-10-27 14:59:11 UTC
just another observation but wouldn't your rhetoric on how the federation must be destroyed be considered a personal attack to those who hold it near and dear to their heart? You certainly would be (and have been) up at arms if someone spoke the same about the caldari state.Please correct me if I'm wrong...
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-10-27 15:39:56 UTC
Mademoiselle Vess,

The majority of Federation loyal capsuleers long ago tuned out Mademoiselle Kim and I was warned to do the same.

I believe the saying goes:

"Do not argue logic with a fool, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-10-27 15:42:38 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
just another observation but wouldn't your rhetoric on how the federation must be destroyed be considered a personal attack to those who hold it near and dear to their heart? You certainly would be (and have been) up at arms if someone spoke the same about the caldari state.Please correct me if I'm wrong...

I believe you have mistaken the topic, Ms. Vess.
One about the Federation is here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381926

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-10-27 15:48:15 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Mademoiselle Vess,

The majority of Federation loyal capsuleers long ago tuned out Mademoiselle Kim and I was warned to do the same.

I believe the saying goes:

"Do not argue logic with a fool, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Thatnk you, Mr. Antoillere, for finally showing us your real gallentean face, with inability to reply to the subject and resorting to personal attacks.

First they start speaking sense, and you might even agree with them. But if you say something they don't like and have nothing to contradict with, they switch to your personality.

Yes, I know this is the wrong thread, but I must add, that existence of such peoples is another reason, why the Federation must be destroyed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-10-27 16:58:05 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Thatnk you, Mr. Antoillere, for finally showing us your real gallentean face, with inability to reply to the subject and resorting to personal attacks.

First they start speaking sense, and you might even agree with them. But if you say something they don't like and have nothing to contradict with, they switch to your personality.

Yes, I know this is the wrong thread, but I must add, that existence of such peoples is another reason, why the Federation must be destroyed.


I am sorry you feel that way, Mademoiselle Kim. I have not deceived anyone and have behaved consistently, though clearly there will be no convincing you of this.

You see Kim, the problem is that you are convinced every Gallente is the same, that we're all evil deceivers Hellbent on imperialism and oppression and nothing any of us say or do is ever going to change your mind. Surely I'm not the first Gallentean that has tried to be reasonable with you and I doubt I will be the last.

However, there is no sense in arguing with blind hatred and malice. You have ended every post with "The Federation must be destroyed" because you are convinced it must be and no matter what anyone says, your opinion will not change. It hasn't changed in years, a quick search of these communication boards would reveal that.

You even argue with your own people about it.

Secondly, I never attacked you personally. I quoted the advice I was given, which, as you can see by the fact I am still responding to you, I haven't followed yet.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#10 - 2014-10-27 17:19:36 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Mademoiselle Vess,

The majority of Federation loyal capsuleers long ago tuned out Mademoiselle Kim and I was warned to do the same.

I believe the saying goes:

"Do not argue logic with a fool, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."



Maybe so, and feel free to call me a fool or whatever but I actually enjoy hearing other people's view points. I know this particular one seems to be rather cut and dry, but I've always felt you can learn more from the eccentric than the norm.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-10-27 18:02:58 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:

Secondly, I never attacked you personally.

Oh, really?

Liam Antolliere wrote:
You see Kim, the problem is that you are convinced...
Liam Antolliere wrote:
However, there is no sense in arguing with blind hatred and malice.
Liam Antolliere wrote:
You have ended every post ... because you are convinced it must be and no matter what anyone says, your opinion will not change.
And nailed:
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Mademoiselle Vess,

The majority of Federation loyal capsuleers long ago tuned out Mademoiselle Kim and I was warned to do the same.

I believe the saying goes:

"Do not argue logic with a fool, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#12 - 2014-10-27 18:35:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:

Secondly, I never attacked you personally.

Oh, really?



You mistake personal attacks with observation of behavior.

A direct attack would be calling you a baby-eating Blood Raider sympathizer with delusions of grandeur.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-10-27 18:42:11 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:

Maybe so, and feel free to call me a fool or whatever but I actually enjoy hearing other people's view points. I know this particular one seems to be rather cut and dry, but I've always felt you can learn more from the eccentric than the norm.


Ah, no mademoiselle, I believe I have misrepresented myself to you.

I do not think you a fool, nor would I make any such suggestion. I was explaining why many Federation loyalists no longer attempt to discuss anything with Mademoiselle Kim, because many believe her simply a fool that isn't worth arguing with.

You can indeed learn from Mademoiselle Kim, as can I. I simply must be prudent on when I engage and when I do not.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-10-27 18:46:11 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Liam Antolliere wrote:
You see Kim, the problem is that you are convinced...

Liam Antolliere wrote:
However, there is no sense in arguing with blind hatred and malice.
Liam Antolliere wrote:
You have ended every post ... because you are convinced it must be and no matter what anyone says, your opinion will not change.
And nailed:
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Mademoiselle Vess,

The majority of Federation loyal capsuleers long ago tuned out Mademoiselle Kim and I was warned to do the same.

I believe the saying goes:

"Do not argue logic with a fool, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."



None of those are attacks, mademoiselle.

They are statements based on observation of your behavior and interactions.

The last of which was simply a factual statement and a quote.

I am sorry you perceive these as personal attacks, but you are mistaken.

If you wish to discuss personal attacks, perhaps you should consider whom it is that keeps crying out for the eradication of an entire peoples and their way of life.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-10-27 18:54:46 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:

Secondly, I never attacked you personally.

Oh, really?



You mistake personal attacks with observation of behavior.

A direct attack would be calling you a baby-eating Blood Raider sympathizer with delusions of grandeur.

When these observations are incorrect, they are personal attack.

Of course, I believe they are still personal attack, if you are listing even correct observations about the opponent instead of his ideas, gallentean.

You see, I have noticed you are a gallentean. This is a correct observation. I have named you a Liar Knight, this is also a correct observation. Yet both are personal attacks. Why I use them?... I hope you should know already.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-10-27 19:02:06 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:


None of those are attacks, mademoiselle.

They are statements based on observation of your behavior and interactions.

The last of which was simply a factual statement and a quote.

I am sorry you perceive these as personal attacks, but you are mistaken.

If you wish to discuss personal attacks, perhaps you should consider whom it is that keeps crying out for the eradication of an entire peoples and their way of life.

Correction: they are false statements, based on lack of observation and misinterpretation of observations.
Usually, it requires a simple correction.

But since these observations were about ME, and not about my ideas, I will return you what you deserve.

As for now, I would as you to stop this, and if you can't add something of value to the subject of the thread, I would prefer you to withdraw from the conversation, as it is bothersome replying just to counter attacks on myself.

Thanks in advance.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-10-28 11:56:45 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Mademoiselle Vess,

The majority of Federation loyal capsuleers long ago tuned out Mademoiselle Kim and I was warned to do the same.

I believe the saying goes:

"Do not argue logic with a fool, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."


I for one simply have to start laughing when Diana Kim goes on one of her Federation diatribes.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-10-28 13:39:03 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Mademoiselle Vess,

The majority of Federation loyal capsuleers long ago tuned out Mademoiselle Kim and I was warned to do the same.

I believe the saying goes:

"Do not argue logic with a fool, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."


I for one simply have to start laughing when Diana Kim goes on one of her Federation diatribes.


You have a strange sense of humour.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#19 - 2014-11-01 00:18:17 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Mademoiselle Vess,

The majority of Federation loyal capsuleers long ago tuned out Mademoiselle Kim and I was warned to do the same.

I believe the saying goes:

"Do not argue logic with a fool, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."


I for one simply have to start laughing when Diana Kim goes on one of her Federation diatribes.


You have a strange sense of humour.


He must laugh alot

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-11-01 01:15:54 UTC
Laughing without a reason compromises your intellectual aptitude

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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