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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#61 - 2014-10-29 17:20:48 UTC
Viribus wrote:
i like how CCP nerfed drakes a full 6 months after the introduction of tier3 BCs made HML drakes almost completely obsolete

sort of like how they nerfed cynabals a full year after anyone ever thought they were good

anyway we're never going to see HMLs (or cruises or torps) viable in our lifetime as long as fozzie is at the helm. That man's hatred of missiles is... unnatural


Maybe I should have spoken up the day they did that, sometimes they listen.

If we can keep this up on the front page, it will be hard to ignore.


But first, my apologies to Caleb!

Sorry for hijacking your thread.

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Viribus
Wilderness
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#62 - 2014-10-30 02:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Viribus
I posted in both the original threads giving a Nostradamus rundown of how those stupid nerfs would play out and they didn't listen. Anyone who had current PVP experience told the CCP balance team how awful their changes would be but they're stuck in a really outdated understanding of the metagame and don't really seem to listen to criticism unless it's a really specific complaint

Anyway I would be surprised if anything changed in the next two years, CCP seems perfectly content to give ship classes a single balance pass, maybe a second look a month or two down the line, and then completely forget about them. Ships are left completely untouched 6 months past their "rebalance". Guess it's interceptors n' drones online for now lmao

watch me be a scurb and get owned
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#63 - 2014-10-30 12:48:39 UTC
Viribus wrote:
I posted in both the original threads giving a Nostradamus rundown of how those stupid nerfs would play out and they didn't listen. Anyone who had current PVP experience told the CCP balance team how awful their changes would be but they're stuck in a really outdated understanding of the metagame and don't really seem to listen to criticism unless it's a really specific complaint

Anyway I would be surprised if anything changed in the next two years, CCP seems perfectly content to give ship classes a single balance pass, maybe a second look a month or two down the line, and then completely forget about them. Ships are left completely untouched 6 months past their "rebalance". Guess it's interceptors n' drones online for now lmao


Yes guess it is.

And instead of listening they know better.

According to the CSM Minutes CCP Missile-Hater and pod-pilot griefer number 1 appears to be on the "poor griefers" side of things.

You should read it, not everything but the modules and ship balancing section and the section before the last one.

So dear CCP missile-hater,
it is now public that you like to grief us. That's fine. You know what? I can do that too.

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Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#64 - 2014-10-30 22:14:49 UTC
Before turning this in to some kind of personal crusade I'd like to see some of the reasoning behind the changes they make.

Just take a closer look at the minutes. Look really at the fine print. CCP doesn't consider player activities as content by definition. They define content as being provided by CCP through the mechanics and their associated features I.e. exploration is content. Scanning down and killing an OGB is not content. You might even call it contentious .

So can we also say that HML were nerfed because they allowed content to be consumed too easily? They openly admit 37% or more of their prefabricated game content doesn't get used. Escalations they have acknowledged are completely broken and either don't spawn outright or fail to complete too often.

I'm going to take another really gpod look at the minutes again when I get home but from what I've read so far I am unhappy but sympathetic. Some of the stuff they've been working is being done purely to appease people who want new things and that's fine but it is being done at the expense of updating other things which are still broken and have been broken for years. In the case of phantasm and HML just as two easy examples they were broken by clumsy developer initiatives and then left to rot like a carcass for literally years instead of being addressed a couple of months later.

Also I have begun to feel like CCP and the community are out of touch. Using the CSM as a buffer against the playerbase because they want to avoid direct interaction for some reason. I hope I am wrong.

That said I just hope that HAM and HML get looked at before the new year. Just because they're frequently used doesn't make them good. 100km + npc spawns necessitate the use of hml for missile boats but 4-6 volleys to kill one cruiser and then 15 to kill an elite cruiser is just ridiculous.