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Measures to protect against a gank?
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Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#1 - 2014-10-24 08:01:19 UTC
Hi ,

So i've been ganked in a c5 while hackin some cans, its fine it happens that is eve . Not mad about it.

What i came here for is to ask for some advice about how to better protect myself from now on .

Granted i haven't been d-scaning that often to see probes and i had a mobile depot and stabs in cargo yet it didint deploy fast enough..those where my mistakes.

Yet what else is there to do?


For reference im refering to running sites not in home system and presumably no help from corp members.

Thank you in advance.

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !
Papa Django
Materials Harvesting Kombinat
#2 - 2014-10-24 08:17:47 UTC
Put a cloaky alt on every hole in the system.

That's the best protection.

If you can't, study your system map. Are you at max dscan range to every hole from your position ?

If yes, by scanning every 2sec you are able to see any incoming ship (but need to be very disciplined). It is hard to do but it is the best measure if you cannot control the hole traffic.

If system is too large, you are in danger. You will not see a cloaky ship comin for you. That's wspace you have to live with that.
Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Mellivora Nulla Irrumabo
#3 - 2014-10-24 08:50:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Papa Django wrote:
Put a cloaky alt on every hole in the system.

That's the best protection.

If you can't, study your system map. Are you at max dscan range to every hole from your position ?

If yes, by scanning every 2sec you are able to see any incoming ship (but need to be very disciplined). It is hard to do but it is the best measure if you cannot control the hole traffic.

If system is too large, you are in danger. You will not see a cloaky ship comin for you. That's wspace you have to live with that.


That is only a guarantee if the holes are fresh and unopened, i have seen people jump into systems and just wait 3 hours (yes 5 to 6 people just waiting) for a single kill. If they are already in your system you will never know until the trap unfolds.

Most high end alliances and corps only PVE in closed WH's, it is the safest way to bear. Scan the WH, if there are no K162's and only your statics or in your case only the k162 you created, and those do not have a lifetime less than 16 hours you can be relatively safe ish.

That is unless someone logged a cloaky scout in there so even then you will need to put your own scouts on the holes (with sound on) yes Eve has sound, but only in WH's.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#4 - 2014-10-24 09:17:25 UTC
It's hard to protect yourself if there is really no good way of telling if and how many other people are with you in a system at any given time. You can hammer dscan like a mofo and still miss the 40man fleet 17AU away. He could've scanned that system 4h earlier, jumped in off dscan, dropped by, noticed you, reshipped and now warps to this site he honestly wanted to run himself.

Given the necessary reaction time of some 8s you got before he points you and the fact you need 5s into warp in a tengu - tough luck to notice and react in this 3s window Pirate

Cloaky tackle T3s got awful SS though, ECM burst could help (don't count on it)
RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#5 - 2014-10-24 09:38:30 UTC
hack on stabbed/inertia mod lows (warp out in less than server tick) interceptor, as cheap as possible, dscan every second, also cargo scanner to choose which container is worth opening. after u jewed it log in sabre alt and camp this site for lulz
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-10-24 09:52:05 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
Hi ,

So i've been ganked in a c5 while hackin some cans, its fine it happens that is eve . Not mad about it.

What i came here for is to ask for some advice about how to better protect myself from now on .

Granted i haven't been d-scaning...


I stopped reading there as you already appear to know the answer.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#7 - 2014-10-24 10:11:55 UTC
1. if you are about to use data/relic in random wormhole make sure to pulse dscan evry 2 seconds
2. if theres opened k162 in system and you cant put eoungh scouts on them all. dont play with this wormhole
3. stabs wont help at all, fit interdiction nullifier if ur hacking in t3. (still wont help if u get hic with scripted disruptor)
4. if there is any online poses in wormhole you are hacking consider that you are intruder and owner can use any force to pull u out.
5. seek for empty wormholes with lowsec/nullsec static they mostly are empty so you can play there.
Papa Django
Materials Harvesting Kombinat
#8 - 2014-10-24 11:04:07 UTC
Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:

That is only a guarantee if the holes are fresh and unopened, i have seen people jump into systems and just wait 3 hours (yes 5 to 6 people just waiting) for a single kill. If they are already in your system you will never know until the trap unfolds.


Sure, i said it's the best, not a god mode.

Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:

Most high end alliances and corps only PVE in closed WH's, it is the safest way to bear. Scan the WH, if there are no K162's and only your statics or in your case only the k162 you created, and those do not have a lifetime less than 16 hours you can be relatively safe ish.


If you farm your own system, but a lot of corp (in low class) farm their static to roll another one when the first is empty.
Nox52
Pterygopalatine
#9 - 2014-10-24 11:53:14 UTC
Best way to protect against a gank is to accept it will happen eventually, be prepared to lose the ship/fleet and do stuff where you end up ahead on the profit/risk curve.

Also by looking at it as a target rich environment and hoping to take someone down with you (not that you'll have a good chance in a proper gank).

The others have proposed very good methods as well.
Obil Que
Star Explorers
Solis Tenebris
#10 - 2014-10-24 17:46:29 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
Hi ,

So i've been ganked in a c5 while hackin some cans, its fine it happens that is eve . Not mad about it.

What i came here for is to ask for some advice about how to better protect myself from now on .

Granted i haven't been d-scaning that often to see probes and i had a mobile depot and stabs in cargo yet it didint deploy fast enough..those where my mistakes.

Yet what else is there to do?


For reference im refering to running sites not in home system and presumably no help from corp members.

Thank you in advance.


C5? Hack in a cheap ship, not the Stratios you were using (although the following statement still holds true, though not in multiples, even for that ship).

The loot you will get from 1 site alone will pay for your ship multiple times over. If you get ganked once in a while it's just the cost of doing business.
Agatir Solenth
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-10-24 18:04:15 UTC
You now know to D-Scan constantly.

Add to that: If you catch a ship or probe while scanning. Assume that someone now has your position. Immediately warp out, and do not return.

Have your warp stabs fit, not in your cargo hold.

Lastly, just because they get a point on you doesn't mean your dead. Try align and burn away from the ship(s) that have you pointed. If you have a drone bay pack ECM drones, and use them against the ship that has you tackled. (Heck you may want to have them launched and set to aggressive while your hacking) As you burn away, spam the warp button, just in case you break free of their points.

Finally... Don't go down without a fight!
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#12 - 2014-10-24 18:56:42 UTC
Obil Que wrote:
Starbuck05 wrote:
Hi ,

So i've been ganked in a c5 while hackin some cans, its fine it happens that is eve . Not mad about it.

What i came here for is to ask for some advice about how to better protect myself from now on .

Granted i haven't been d-scaning that often to see probes and i had a mobile depot and stabs in cargo yet it didint deploy fast enough..those where my mistakes.

Yet what else is there to do?


For reference im refering to running sites not in home system and presumably no help from corp members.

Thank you in advance.


C5? Hack in a cheap ship, not the Stratios you were using (although the following statement still holds true, though not in multiples, even for that ship).

The loot you will get from 1 site alone will pay for your ship multiple times over. If you get ganked once in a while it's just the cost of doing business.




I've been considering using a cheaper ship but its hard finding one that has tank ( passive cause even 1 sleepr cruiser neuts hard ) cap and hacking bonuses ( even though not necesary since cans don't explode after several fails )

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !
Marsan
#13 - 2014-10-24 19:34:30 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:

I've been considering using a cheaper ship but its hard finding one that has tank ( passive cause even 1 sleepr cruiser neuts hard ) cap and hacking bonuses ( even though not necesary since cans don't explode after several fails )


The thing to do is to take down the sleepers in a combat ship then switch to a cheap hacking ship. A cheap frigate with stabs, and nanos is hard to catch. Even if you lose it one or 2 cans will pay for it.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Obil Que
Star Explorers
Solis Tenebris
#14 - 2014-10-24 19:51:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Obil Que
Starbuck05 wrote:
Obil Que wrote:
Starbuck05 wrote:
Hi ,

So i've been ganked in a c5 while hackin some cans, its fine it happens that is eve . Not mad about it.

What i came here for is to ask for some advice about how to better protect myself from now on .

Granted i haven't been d-scaning that often to see probes and i had a mobile depot and stabs in cargo yet it didint deploy fast enough..those where my mistakes.

Yet what else is there to do?


For reference im refering to running sites not in home system and presumably no help from corp members.

Thank you in advance.


C5? Hack in a cheap ship, not the Stratios you were using (although the following statement still holds true, though not in multiples, even for that ship).

The loot you will get from 1 site alone will pay for your ship multiple times over. If you get ganked once in a while it's just the cost of doing business.




I've been considering using a cheaper ship but its hard finding one that has tank ( passive cause even 1 sleepr cruiser neuts hard ) cap and hacking bonuses ( even though not necesary since cans don't explode after several fails )


I know exactly what you're talking about and there isn't one except the Stratios or a Tengu
I gave up trying to find one to use because it was more ISK than I was willing to put out there while running those sites
I just settled for unbonused and it was been working fine though my time in the site is significant

I blogged about this not too long ago: http://ceo.starexplorers.net/blog/the-great-and-powerful-gnosis
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#15 - 2014-10-25 06:00:08 UTC
Marsan wrote:
Starbuck05 wrote:

I've been considering using a cheaper ship but its hard finding one that has tank ( passive cause even 1 sleepr cruiser neuts hard ) cap and hacking bonuses ( even though not necesary since cans don't explode after several fails )


The thing to do is to take down the sleepers in a combat ship then switch to a cheap hacking ship. A cheap frigate with stabs, and nanos is hard to catch. Even if you lose it one or 2 cans will pay for it.




All fine and dandy but , lemme explain.

The way i daytrip c5 relic / data is to kill all sleepers EXCEPT the last cruiser to not trigger the second wave, after wich i hack the cans. So a frig is no go cause it will be owned ..

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !
Jonnie Concrete
You're Doing It Wrong
#16 - 2014-10-25 07:43:33 UTC
how much do you make from c5 hacking on average out of interest?
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#17 - 2014-10-26 08:01:05 UTC
Avarage 70 mil for data and avarage 250 mil for relic / 30 mins of work

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !
Kirasten
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-10-26 18:08:21 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Starbuck05 wrote:
Hi ,

So i've been ganked in a c5 while hackin some cans, its fine it happens that is eve . Not mad about it.

What i came here for is to ask for some advice about how to better protect myself from now on .

Granted i haven't been d-scaning...


I stopped reading there as you already appear to know the answer.


I know, right? My first thought after reading the post was, "Is this a troll?"
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#19 - 2014-10-27 20:28:16 UTC
Kirasten wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Starbuck05 wrote:
Hi ,

So i've been ganked in a c5 while hackin some cans, its fine it happens that is eve . Not mad about it.

What i came here for is to ask for some advice about how to better protect myself from now on .

Granted i haven't been d-scaning...


I stopped reading there as you already appear to know the answer.


I know, right? My first thought after reading the post was, "Is this a troll?"





Yea but he forgot to quotte the word "often" right after d-scan..but i guess some people would rather sh!t on the little guy instead of actually helping.

And tbh , you can't rly d-scan every second when ur also trying to hack at the same time

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-10-28 10:38:23 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
Kirasten wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Starbuck05 wrote:
Hi ,

So i've been ganked in a c5 while hackin some cans, its fine it happens that is eve . Not mad about it.

What i came here for is to ask for some advice about how to better protect myself from now on .

Granted i haven't been d-scaning...


I stopped reading there as you already appear to know the answer.


I know, right? My first thought after reading the post was, "Is this a troll?"





Yea but he forgot to quotte the word "often" right after d-scan..but i guess some people would rather sh!t on the little guy instead of actually helping.

And tbh , you can't rly d-scan every second when ur also trying to hack at the same time


True. I wish someone would have told me that i had to take more than one pi$$ a day because my bladder just exploded! Sad

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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