EVE General Discussion

Sure the typical suicide ganking griefers that roam the forums aren't lauding me - I'll survive. Thankfully the real heroes of Eve, the people I meet every day in highsec - the hard working mission runners, the capable incursion runners, the manufacturers, the traders, even the diligent miners, and all the other PvE folks, express support for my positions, and would like to see a more orderly and humane highsec....where suicide ganking is rare, and punishments for it server. Those are the people I care about, not the suicide ganking nullsecers.

Interesting read OP. Definitely some valid points.

"It's just a game right? Anything goes in the end. If you want to kill you kill, If you want to steal you steal. A lot of people think like that, more than I care to know, and in a way I get it. Even I used to think like that...but none of it's true. In a virtual world, there are things you have to protect because it's a virtual world. If you give into your impulses in here, it's gonna change who you are in the real world. The player and the character are one in the same."

-Kirito [SAO]

Not when he said that he wasn't....

I wanted to share quickly what I see as wrong with EVE, and what is so amazingly right, at the same time.

Over the last month, the price of the Garmur has dropped drastically. This is awesome as I've been waiting to get one!

So last night I got a Garmur. Looked up fits and made one I liked. I took it out for a spin and the second I undocked from jita every single person wanted a duel. I was finally hailed to convo by a 9 year old character asking if I wanted to duel.

"Sure I said, but only to hull, as I just bought this and I haven't had a proper fight in it yet."

They agreed, more than once, and I was very very clear. But were busy, and kept putting off he fight, so I logged for the night.

Tonight I jump on, and a few minutes later I'm hailed again by this 9 yr old character. They ask if I would like to duel to hull, and I say sure!

We fly to planet 1, and they ask if they can test the range on their fit, and I'm happy to oblige. They ask me to stop orbiting them so they can check range, and so I do, and then they fly to 0, and kill my Garmur without hesitation, then blink off the conversation we had been having for about an hour.

Now you may say to yourself, "well, duh! Next time don't trust anyone in EVE!"

but honestly that's what he said, so don't be an idiot.

Let's be clear. Losing an 80 mil ISK ship isn't going to bankrupt me or ruin my experience in EVE.

I can see it ruining someone else's experience though, and that's what I want to express. This person had nothing to gain, not even a killmail from killing my Garmur. Doing this kind of thing, is what makes people leave this game. And maybe that's what someone like him wants.

If it had been a fair fight and he had kept going past hull, I wouldn't have minded all that much, but there was no honor, and no sportsmanship at all. In the end, I really just ended up feeling sorry for this guy as a human being.

I've met some really amazing people in EVE, people that have given me ships, people that have taught me things about the game, and people that have podded me, and then given me the money I would need to get my ship back 10x.

Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap, (I have been treated like crap plenty more times than this in EVE) and for no reason, and leave, can you blame them? And can you see any future in a game like that? Any real value?

I know myself, that I rarely see any new characters anymore. Everyone I see is almost 10 years old. And this is why. If a 9 year old character has nothing better to do, that troll new characters, and under the sad guise of 'don't trust anyone in EVE' then I'm really not sure that I can see a long term investment in this game is something I want to consider.

*Snip* Please refrain from posting private in game correspondence. ISD Ezwal.

Whatever, I'll buy another ship, but how much longer can a game like this really last? I've talked with ppl on TS about this, and they are just as worried about the serious lack of new blood in EVE.

I can see it ruining someone else's experience though, and that's what I want to express.

Fair enough. This would be a strong argument where I trying to rid highsec of all non-consensual PvP. I am not. I am not looking for complete safety in highsec.

What I would like to see is less aimless violence without consequences. For instance, the people who pop pods in thrashers every 15 minutes. Or the professional empty ship exploders. These can be deterred without making highsec "entirely safe."

And I, for one, would like to see CONCORD cracking down on career criminal suicide gankers.

What I would like to see is less aimless violence without consequences.

You got PVP'd on a psychological level. It's no different from any other con or scam in the game.

Having these tactics be legal within the game rules is precisely what makes trust in EVE such a valuable commodity. Like it or don't, but it is central to the dark and dangerous universe of EVE.

This is a game (and one notorious for aimless violence). EVERYTHING ABOUT IT is 'aimless' unless you are CCP (who make money off the game). Hell, from a certain perspective, this game (and all games ) are counter-productive because you could be using this time to find a cure for cancer ( or ebola, or worse, CANBOLA) or doing something useful.

I don't mind people getting screwed over when they put themselves in situations of trust, but I think CCP should remove the trust factor from a lot of things. For one, POCOs and POSes should be up for contract/trade to legitimize buying them without needing a third party. Also, I have no idea why there isn't a simple "duel to 50% hull" option, or just until pod - I think it would encourage PvP among high-sec residents if they knew they could practice with strangers without having to put their ship (or pod) on the line.