EVE General Discussion

Yes but adding a concord response to attacking a corp mate won't turn it into a "poxy themepark." You know that, and I know that. Scams, awoxes (of the traditional low/null variety), suicide ganking, scamming, spying, war decs, miner bumping, and god knows what else are unaffected.


While I appreciate that point of view, the evidence you provide is purely anecdotal. The fact that ccp (who is historically slow to act on anything) is taking action now suggests that they have some particular metric motivating them to do so.

Hence the worst case scenario in brackets, I don't expect CCP to go down that path, they're not stupid; but there is always a remote possibility that some moron in marketing or the shareholders will attempt to push them down that path as a way of increasing subscriptions and thus revenue.

Agreed it is anecdote, I merely present the evidence that I see with my own eyes.

We're not talking about my vision, we're talking about the original vision for EVE in the first place. And also, rubbish. I was new to the game in 2012 and I'm still picking up new players today. I'm calling BS on your 'no new people want to play' lie, a carebear-invention to force CCP to pander to those that would turn EVE into a themepark. Those kinds of lies are the real problem with EVE, and by telling them, you make yourself part of the problem.

An EVE without new players is not an indication of something wrong with EVE, it's an indication of something wrong with a lack of strong enough players. If EVE changes to cater to the weak, then it is no longer EVE anyway. Changing EVE to make it something else means it dies anyway, and you don't get your next decade.

Way to quote mine. Again, I'm not talking about a greater vision, or my vision, but the ORIGINAL vision. If you think people only do things for money, you aren't just an idiot but incredibly pessimistic as well. EVE was created by gamers that wanted an open PVP sandbox.




Of course they will, but the EVE we have now won't be EVE anymore if it panders to the WOW crowd. It has survived more than a decade without having to do that. There are plenty of spaceship games out there for the weak to play, but there is only one single-shard PVP player-driven sandbox.




You sound like someone who doesn't check their facts. I haven't been to high sec in months, and I ain't hiding. If you want to make this personal, then come at me in game. Unless you're the one hiding, of course. High sec already has rookie areas, they're called starter systems. There is plenty of room to create some learning content in those systems for rookies to munch on while they learn the basics.

High sec is meant to be the safest part of New Eden. It is not meant to be safe, but safer. Do you understand the difference? There are no PVP zones, no mining zones, no trading zones, because the entire game is an all-in-one zone, hence single-shard. If you put too much cotton wool on new players, and they get used to it and expect it all the time. They will quit eventually ANYWAY because of the nasty surprise they'll get when their cotton wool layer gets melted by someone's antimatter. Better that they discover what the game is from the very beginning and either adapt or quit sooner.

You don't sit down to a game of chess and try to play checkers, so why the hell would you log into EVE and expect WOW?

And in future, before you get snarky and pompous at me, try actually understanding what I'm saying, and not taking it out of context. Intentional ignorance is not a good place to make a point from.

No, sorry, don't be stupid. Show me a thesaurus where 'original' is synonymous with 'greater' and we'll talk about how you're no longer a complete moron because right now, you're intentionally and pretentiously putting words in my mouth. It's not only rude, it's stupid, and by doing so you are intentionally ignoring my point. also, *capitals were added for emphasis to point out how stupid you were being by replacing 'original' with 'greater'. My point was, which you intentionally ignored again, that they do not mean the same thing. I never suggested there was a 'greater' vision, and for you to suggest such a thing to further your own agenda is idiotic rhetoric. If you're going to play rhetoric games, try playing them with someone who's not me, because I've played them with the best.



EVE is still getting new players. I know, because I recruit them frequently. They stick around more often when they have a good idea of what to expect in EVE, and I know this from experience. This lie you perpetuate that EVE isn't getting or retaining new players is not fooling anyone except those of the carebear persuasion, such as yourself, but I suspect some proponents of this lie as a scare tactic to convince carebears to pull out the bullhorns and use it to demand CCP change the game or they're gonna quit. Truth be told, the game is better off without them, and better off without you, trying to change it from chess to checkers. Bottom line, lrn2EVE, or **** off.



I'm not whining about anything, I'm criticising unnecessary changes to EVE, regardless of what sec it's in. I was merely pointing out your bullshit presumption that I was hiding in highsec to avoid risk. For the record, being in high sec does not mean one is avoiding risk. It may mean they are creating risk for those that think high sec is risk free. Additionally, by assuming one is in high sec to avoid risk, one is already conceding that it is risk-free enough, so why are we making it more
so?

[quote[The rookies can still be shoot by corps members, but the awoxer will lose his ship. There is no risk for the awoxer, so i do not see why he should get a free reward.[/quote]

Of course there is risk to the awoxer. By virtue of an awoxer being able to shoot his corp, he can also be shot by his own corp. That's the risk he takes. Why bring concord into this? Why do we need to summon magic space fairies to save us when we're 100% capable of shooting back? What kind of pussies are we to need concord at all?



I read it just fine. You were making an idiotic assumption about me based on flawed logic. I'm not surprised though, considering you have demonstrated little to no grasp on logic to begin with, but I could be wrong. You could be doing it intentionally as a form of passive-aggressive vexatious mud slinging because you're just buttmad. So instead of flinging idiotic presumptions like a monkey flinging it's own poop, let's try growing up and discussing things like adults. That would include not putting words in my mouth. Seriously, pretending 'original' means the same thing as 'greater' is nothing more than a moronic attempt to shift the goalposts and pretend I'm arguing something I'm not. Try again, or **** off.

Yeah yeah the usual hate highsec and all that. The schtick is getting old. I've prowled in goon space. All they do is farm out there.

What wrong with Eve is that everybody boils down to farming and grinding and even those who win at Eve merely win more farming.


Enjoy the stagnation.

If they fixed the risk : reward dynamic it would stop coming up.

In simplest terms what is wrong with EVE

It sends out the wrong message.
People think that the game is Missions and Highsec. Everything else is an overthought and is present for richer kids.

This is largely the consequence of poor NPE.
CCP is aware of that.

Fixes are coming.

Many fights will be had.
Burn [insert place here].

Not a game but rather a time queue could be one?

The original vision for EVE was a fully interactive science fiction simulation. This in no way stopped at flying in space. CCP's vision included not only walking in stations as a core mechanic, but also planetary flight and many other interesting immersive ideas.

I waited for years to see the realization of that dream. Sadly, the nearest we got was 'asshats in space' and a room with a couch.

Mr Epeen