EVE General Discussion

There is a reason, capsuleers bribe the government to ignore the crime that's going to happen. Removing pvp from highsec should only happen if all activities are also removed from highsec.

No, this is simply wrong, nobody gets 'turned off' EVE that wasn't already going to get turned off. Allowing PVP to continue in highsec is what filters out the weak from this game, the slackjawed carebears that can't handle a little competition from intelligent people instead of AI. It's because of that that EVE as it is may fail, because the console generation it's attracting these days is basically bred weak by virtue of the easiness of today's games. It may have to become something else if CCP wishes to keep making money from it, but without PVP in highsec, EVE will be EVE in name only. The EVE I subscribed for will be long gone.

But every person that quits EVE because of PVP is EVE working exactly as intended. EVE is a PVP game, after all, and whether you subscribe to it knowing that, or not knowing that, is entirely on you. When you play a game of chess, do you change the rules to make it easier on you, or do you play it as intended? You don't change the game, you learn it, and adapt to it, or you weren't really playing the game to begin with.

Bang on the money, carebearism is an attitude not a playstyle. I mainly mission and dabble in industry, and I actively take steps to minimise the risk from other players. I don't expect CCP to do it for me.

Agreed, and sadly it would turn Eve into just another, broken, MMO with highsec essentially being a separate shard.

I think Shizuken deserves to be be relentlessly hounded until he or she quits entirely tbh.

If you wanted to play a prissified, civil, well mannered, raise-your-pinky-in-the-air kind of game, and you chose a PvP sandbox game, you are quite literally mentally challenged.

Ironically, it's exactly that happening to Ultima which lead to the development of EVE Online.

Unfortunately CCP appear to have forgotten their roots in that respect. At least that's the impression I get from some of the proposed changes to highsec.

Bound to happen, the threads are so closely related that Joffrey Baratheon could be their child

I'm all for the sandbox, crime, betrayal, suicide ganking, corp theft, all that good stuff. But what part of your vision suggests new players will want to come into a game where older players beat them mercilessly due to arcane mechanics or, worse still, no one wants to play with them in the first place because they're a risk?

An eve without new players is not a game that will last the next decade. I want eve to last the next decade.

So CCP, with it's access to a reliable base of statistics on the playerbase as a whole, is....what? Making stuff up?

CCP did not say a word about any stats on the matter.

Literally. Go read it again, they mention absolutely nothing about numbers, both of them just talked touchy feely speculation the whole time.

And they'd be the ones who'd have the data, as you said. So either the data isn't there, or for some reason they decided to omit everything that might strengthen their argument.

But for what I see? With a week long rap sheet of killing corpies, I can get into a corp easily. Easily. As in, I have to wait two hours at most before someone lets me in.

A genuinely new player is not going to magically have a harder time. To suggest so is foolishness.