EVE General Discussion

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To be quite honest, I'm sure there are better methods. I just started using this one once I realized that in fact there were people out there who would happily splode my hulk (and later mackinaw) if I just sat around semi afk and did the F1 dance on nearby roids. I've said it before, will say it again, and again that I'm not anti PVE, as I have walked many miles in those shoes...

However, no amount of pretending is going to change the fundamental nature of EVE, and as such you are at risk at any time you are in space. Managing that risk is a responsibility that falls on the individual player, not CCP.

Like many other miners, when I first encountered CODE. my initial response was a bout of furious outrage, then I realized two things about their ideology... the first was, of course that they were right, the second was that their ideology was carefully cultivated to inspire outrage in peeps just like me. It was beautiful.

Fortunately my taste for mining had already been on the wane for some time, and after reading much on the forums I had to stop before I started to heed the voices coming from the asteroids to kill my own kind to save them from the living hell I was enduring.

Edit: And yes, effort. I also stopped mining because in order to do it safely and properly it actually does involve real effort. I mean real effort. I was jamming the dscan button like an addict rat hitting the reward button for it's fix in a lab experiment while chain smoking American Spirits and hoping that I hadn't missed anything. Solo, it's exhausting. The best method is in a gang, with others sharing in the 'eye in sky' mentality and helping to keep each other safe, ideally with a combat ship or two lending a hand in this approach. It's hard to do it right, but if you do you get to keep what you've earned.

It's been nagging at me all night long. Those who cannot understand, and most especially Veers, need to sit back and read 'Candide'. Once that's done, and you've learned to laugh at life's bullshite, come back and say what you have to say when it comes to the inequities of EVE. Of course, there's a very real possibility that too much booze has influenced my opinion when it comes to this matter, and as such I shall stand unrepentant.

This is the key methinks....using your methods highsec mining gets a terrible return for the amount of effort expended, and the logical conclusion is to stop doing it. The only rational way to mine in highsec is while AFK.

Oh dear, do try and relax. You would rationally look to maximize isk/hour given a particular level of effort. So of mining is going to require constant vigilance and attention, just like an L4, but its rewards are eclipsed by those of an L4, then it becomes a dominated activity which is irrational to engage in.

The whole draw of mining is that you can press F1, go play minecraft, do the laundry, read a book, etc... for 20 minutes, and then come back and press F1 again. So this isk is worse than missioning, but that's commensurate with lesser level of effort. Incidentally this is why mining is so easy to ISBox or bot.

Being forced to put effort in undermines the entire appeal of mining altogether.

Edit - as far as the term rational, have you ever taken an Economics course? It would probably make you look just a bit more intelligent if you would acquire at least a base level of knowledge before throwing around words like "reterded."

Do you really have this much fun trying to troll CODE/gankers on forums?

I mean, to each his own, but honestly...

ISK/hour is not a valid metric for gameplay in EVE IMO. Fun/hour should be the thing any player pursues. If mining is fun for said player, then more power to them. The methods you endorse have nothing to do with this. Yes, mining properly while solo requires effort. Mining in groups can alleviate this effort by spreading the burden of responsibility when it comes to maintaining situational awareness.
Choosing to not bother to to put forth effort to maintain said awareness can and will be punished by outside forces. This is the nature of the game. It is right and it is true. Trying to change this is neither right nor true, nor is it a good thing to teach to newer players.

Not trolling.

Got it. *wink

The counter is to not be AFK. You know...actually play the game? Never mind, it is a confusing concept.

You know, quite a few new players look towards mining as a means for either generating ISK or as a possible future career. I'm not one to discourage them from either approach, but I'm also and always a proponent of the notion of constantly maintaining a sense of situational awareness in whatever task that one undertakes in this game.
High sec will never be completely safe, and anyone who tries to either convince newbies that it is, or tries to make it so is the enemy of EVE.
Rather than trying to make it a fuzzy wonderland for beary bears to happily hump roids and shoot red plusses without fear it's far better to try to teach the newbros about all the bad things that can happen if they lower their guard.

Interestingly, I work for an investment management company IRL, and the economy in-game would do horrible, horrible things if Veers had his way.

As far as CCP's revenue goes, it would start to quickly dry up if Veers had his way. "Trying to be everything to everyone leads to any company's downfall". That is a basic tenant in growing a company IRL. You look for companies that find a niche and stay true to it, no matter what. Companies who dilute their brand by trying to go for mass-appeal to all markets end up in price wars to the bottom of the barrel, if they survive at all.

For a company to cater to two audiences, you create a second brand name under the same shell company (ie, CCP releases a second game not tied to EVE in any way).

I have to wonder if HE has ever studied economics.