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In simplest terms, what is wrong with EVE

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J'mee Leggs
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#561 - 2014-10-29 01:33:50 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Go through highsec, belt to belt, and try talking to miners.


No thanks, I'd rather play the game. Maybe you should try it some time.
Nevil Oscillator
#562 - 2014-10-29 01:37:31 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
[quote=Nevil Oscillator]

*scratches head* Did you think I was trying to say that miners find highsec belt rats to be too powerful?



No I just want to know what belts they prey on
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#563 - 2014-10-29 01:38:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
I fervently believe that you will find, as I did, that many of the miners are unhappy with the current game structure, and have very negative feelings towards the gankers.
You yourself have admitted that you consider >90% of them to be afk. Have you miraculously found a way to communicate with afk miners, or are you talking out of your arse again?

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They don't look at it like Hide and Go Seek, they look at it like a sociopathic turkey shoot. It's a game to one side of the equation, but not much fun to the other side.
Maybe they should change the way they play the game to take into account the realities of Eve. Simple things like fitting a tank, checking local for players with low sec status or criminal flags, and, god forbid, actually being at the bloody keyboard. Those are the standards I hold other players to, and unlike you Veers, I actually practice what I preach and hold myself to those standards.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#564 - 2014-10-29 03:24:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
re: Polling highsec miners about ganking.
"Excuse me mister Rabbit, could you spare a moment to share with me your feelings about Foxes?"

Of course the answers you get from those who are actually at the keys are predictable.

Of course the mice are in favor of belling the cat.

However, CCP is under no obligation to either put the bell on, or provide said bell.

Also, you should keep in mind that taking it upon yourself to champion those who cannot be bothered to defend themselves is not the same as championing the defenseless. No amount of verbal gymnastics is going to change that.

I suggest taking a step back and taking a good look at what's going on here. Yours is the only voice crying out in this thread against these perceived injustices. You are trying to defend an indefensible position. It is madness.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#565 - 2014-10-29 03:51:54 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
re: Polling highsec miners about ganking.
"Excuse me mister Rabbit, could you spare a moment to share with me your feelings about Foxes?"

Of course the answers you get from those who are actually at the keys are predictable.

Of course the mice are in favor of belling the cat.

However, CCP is under no obligation to either put the bell on, or provide said bell.

Also, you should keep in mind that taking it upon yourself to champion those who cannot be bothered to defend themselves is not the same as championing the defenseless. No amount of verbal gymnastics is going to change that.

I suggest taking a step back and taking a good look at what's going on here. Yours is the only voice crying out in this thread against these perceived injustices. You are trying to defend an indefensible position. It is madness.


Well I'm glad you agree with me on what the miners would say. Now if only you could convince your allies of the same, there seems to be no end to the number of irrational posts asking me to "prove" this. I commend you for at least having the competent to see the obvious truth here.

The reality is that due to the AFK nature of mining, and the type of people who do it, they will never be able to defend themselves. No ifs ands or buts about it. As for the tenor of the posters here, the "carebear" posters tend to mocked, ridiculed, wardecced, hunted down in game, and eventually driven out of it entirely. I have spoken with multiple folks who have had those experiences when speaking up for "carebears," which is why you don't see em here. Thankfully I'm not someone who can be bullied like that.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#566 - 2014-10-29 03:58:42 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Well I'm glad you agree with me on what the miners would say. Now if only you could convince your allies of the same, there seems to be no end to the number of irrational posts asking me to "prove" this. I commend you for at least having the competent to see the obvious truth here.

The reality is that due to the AFK nature of mining, and the type of people who do it, they will never be able to defend themselves. No ifs ands or buts about it. As for the tenor of the posters here, the "carebear" posters tend to mocked, ridiculed, wardecced, hunted down in game, and eventually driven out of it entirely. I have spoken with multiple folks who have had those experiences when speaking up for "carebears," which is why you don't see em here. Thankfully I'm not someone who can be bullied like that.


The entitlement dripping from this post is nauseating.

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Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#567 - 2014-10-29 04:04:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
* passes the bucket

I see we still have Don Quixote wannabes posting Ugh

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#568 - 2014-10-29 04:21:13 UTC
Mining is not by nature AFK. Stop that wrong minded thinking right now.
People CHOOSE to mine AFK. In doing so they CHOOSE not to defend themselves.
The reason you are speaking alone is not because others are too afraid to back you up, it's because you are wrong.
I used to PVE exclusively, including mining and mission running. I have since changed my playstyle. Other PVE'rs have also chimed in to explain to you the magnitude of the wrong that you are bringing to the table here as well.
There is nothing, nothing at all wrong with embracing a PVE playstyle in this game, so long as you do not lose touch with the pvp-centric nature of the game itself.
Deliberately engaging in AFK activities while in game pretty much forfeits any right to complain about bad things happening as a result. Those who become 'victims' as a result of this have nobody to blame but themselves.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#569 - 2014-10-29 05:14:33 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:


Mining is not by nature AFK. Stop that wrong minded thinking right now.


Sorry, I was laughing too hard after reading this to continue. The effortless activity that requires no more than returning every 20 minutes to press F1 is not by nature AFK? Ok then, I guess we must have different definitions of "nature."
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#570 - 2014-10-29 05:37:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
I don't think you understand how to mine properly.
Lemme break it down for you. You start at a point near the belt that has a direct clear path to the station you eventually dock at, or a chosen safe spot in space. You then align to said point after scanning a series of juicy rocks that you want to badtouch. Target the nearest few and commence with the noms.
Meanwhile, you open up your D-scan and set it to 360 with a distance of around oh, say 1AU or so... or just under the distance to the nearest station or belt. As rocks start to pass out of range of your lasers you switch to new roids further ahead... there's no need to fully deplete them to get what you need. Watch local, scoop ore, hit D-scan.
If someone dubious shows up in system you start hovering near the 'warp' button. If something that's not a fellow miner shows up on D-scan you start warping immediately. If a fellow miner shows up in belt and then starts to act oddly in ANY fashion, you warp away.

In doing this I've never been ganked, but have had a few try. Mining by hitting F1 and coming back in 20 minutes is simply put, idiotic, and asking for suffering.

There. Now you know how to mine, for free no less.

Edit: To be fair this model is for solo mining. It gets more sophisticated once you start working with an orca, other miners, haulers, and an active guard on duty.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#571 - 2014-10-29 05:43:11 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:


Mining is not by nature AFK. Stop that wrong minded thinking right now.


Sorry, I was laughing too hard after reading this to continue. The effortless activity that requires no more than returning every 20 minutes to press F1 is not by nature AFK? Ok then, I guess we must have different definitions of "nature."

I'd like to hear your mining experience. Apparently you know something the rest of us don't.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#572 - 2014-10-29 05:58:51 UTC
The New Player Experience is bloody awful.

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Nevil Oscillator
#573 - 2014-10-29 10:19:01 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:


Mining is not by nature AFK. Stop that wrong minded thinking right now.


Sorry, I was laughing too hard after reading this to continue. The effortless activity that requires no more than returning every 20 minutes to press F1 is not by nature AFK? Ok then, I guess we must have different definitions of "nature."



Does reading this count as AFK ?
Satan's Spawn
Satan's Enterprises
#574 - 2014-10-29 11:52:05 UTC
what's wrong? ... the recent production re-design.

Over graphiced, over complicated (as in too many steps n click, not that it's too difficult), and thus I get bored/fustrated/lethargic halfway through. Aside from an accruate managable business model is 'urgh' ... bring back the old way. Much more like real life economics.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#575 - 2014-10-29 13:00:57 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
La Nariz wrote:
This all seems to continually converge upon not getting emotionally invested in video games.

Then I have great news for you. It would seem that more and more people are becoming less emotionally invested in Eve Online. Indeed a cause for celebration.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#576 - 2014-10-29 13:10:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
The New Player Experience is bloody awful.
If you think the NPE is awful now you should have tried it when it consisted of "here's a ship, there's an NPC, try not to die too quickly" or as it was otherwise known "here's a Rubik's cube, go forth and perform an unlikely sexual act on yourself" P

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#577 - 2014-10-29 13:16:31 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
This all seems to continually converge upon not getting emotionally invested in video games.

Then I have great news for you. It would seem that more and more people are becoming less emotionally invested in Eve Online. Indeed a cause for celebration.


There is another thread for idiotic EVE is dieing rants npc alt.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#578 - 2014-10-29 13:27:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I don't think you understand how to mine properly.
Lemme break it down for you. You start at a point near the belt that has a direct clear path to the station you eventually dock at, or a chosen safe spot in space. You then align to said point after scanning a series of juicy rocks that you want to badtouch. Target the nearest few and commence with the noms.
Meanwhile, you open up your D-scan and set it to 360 with a distance of around oh, say 1AU or so... or just under the distance to the nearest station or belt. As rocks start to pass out of range of your lasers you switch to new roids further ahead... there's no need to fully deplete them to get what you need. Watch local, scoop ore, hit D-scan.
If someone dubious shows up in system you start hovering near the 'warp' button. If something that's not a fellow miner shows up on D-scan you start warping immediately. If a fellow miner shows up in belt and then starts to act oddly in ANY fashion, you warp away.

In doing this I've never been ganked, but have had a few try. Mining by hitting F1 and coming back in 20 minutes is simply put, idiotic, and asking for suffering.

There. Now you know how to mine, for free no less.

Edit: To be fair this model is for solo mining. It gets more sophisticated once you start working with an orca, other miners, haulers, and an active guard on duty.
Pretty much this, however it involves entirely too much effort for some. It's far easier to park on the warp in point, hit the F keys and go back to watching faptupe, reading a book or just walking away to do something else, then moan on the forums when you get ganked.

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Nevil Oscillator
#579 - 2014-10-29 13:45:18 UTC
Is it true that the technology for D Scan also has some medical uses for detecting early stages of neurosis ?
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#580 - 2014-10-29 13:47:37 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

The police investigate, they catch the mugger, they make him pay restitution (and damages!), and then put him away for a nice jail sentence, especially if he is a repeat offender.

In Eve - they show up, blow up the attacker, give him a 15 minute timeout, don't make him pay any restitution, and make no attempt to recover the stolen property.


No they don't. I come from a very middle class family, and have a higher than middle class income right now. In the last 7 years I have been threatened to be sued for something I didn't do (had to pay a settlement to not be stuck in a lawsuit for years), my neighbors (who are drug dealers) have not been caught, and someone was stabbed in the apartment next to my girlfriends.

Guess what the police did about any of that? Again, you are either very young, very naive, or both.