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In simplest terms, what is wrong with EVE

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#501 - 2014-10-28 17:58:02 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Accuse me of homosexuality

stop typing verrs, for your own good.


Hardly. Expecting at least a minimal level of decorum on the forums should not be too much to ask for. I don't think the supposed "dystopian" society of Eve extends to the forums.

completely missing the point there bucko.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#502 - 2014-10-28 18:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
@veers:

Your repeated longing for Baltec1 was my evidence.

e: I don't care what pubbies think of us they don't hold any sort of power over us and they harbor bigotry for us because they don't like our culture.

The worthy get to join the unworthy get to wail on the forums about us and be refused entrance.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#503 - 2014-10-28 18:04:05 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
@veers:

Your repeated longing for Baltec1 was my evidence.


That I said he is a better propagandist and has clearer talking points is in no conceivable way an indication of sexual preference.

Please in the future do try to avoid this kind of stupidity, it just adds more fuel to forums full of so much trolling and antagonism already.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#504 - 2014-10-28 18:08:26 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Please in the future do try to avoid this kind of stupidity, it just adds more fuel to forums full of so much trolling and antagonism already.

Please in the future do try to avoid this kind of stupidity, it just adds more fuel to forums full of so much trolling and antagonism already.

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#505 - 2014-10-28 18:11:25 UTC
Sheesh WTF is this place now....a deliberate attempt to derail so it gets locked?

Veers...be an adult like you claim you are and either 1.) Ignore the verbal assault aimed at you or 2.) Just shut up and walk away from this one....

The other guy...Really? its not funny dude...maybe at first....but its really not funny anymore. Come on im sure even a Goon has some class some where?


Now as to a survey idea I think mentioned pg 25.....

Heres another one for you Veers.

Highsec players especially miners need to man up and defend themselves, their neighbors, and if they want to be part of a corp then they need to SFTU and learn how that corp operates so they can learn how to be part of a group.

They also need to learn...in EvE...AFK/BOts/ISboxers/sissies/beggars/whiners deserve to be shot/ganked/dec'd/trolled and otherwise abused (within terms of the EULA of course) till they learn how to play or leave.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#506 - 2014-10-28 18:16:04 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
^: lol class.

Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
@veers:

Your repeated longing for Baltec1 was my evidence.


That I said he is a better propagandist and has clearer talking points is in no conceivable way an indication of sexual preference.

Please in the future do try to avoid this kind of stupidity, it just adds more fuel to forums full of so much trolling and antagonism already.


Ralph said it better than I can right now so read his post twice.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#507 - 2014-10-28 18:27:49 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
Highsec players especially miners need to man up and defend themselves, their neighbors, and if they want to be part of a corp then they need to SFTU and learn how that corp operates so they can learn how to be part of a group.

They also need to learn...in EvE...AFK/BOts/ISboxers/sissies/beggars/whiners deserve to be shot/ganked/dec'd/trolled and otherwise abused (within terms of the EULA of course) till they learn how to play or leave.

o7

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Nevil Oscillator
#508 - 2014-10-28 19:08:24 UTC
Too many pages to back track to what this thread was about, I'm sure it was on about getting better ways to execute gankers.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#509 - 2014-10-28 20:57:55 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


There exists no surveys or charts or what not on what highsec PvE players "think." Thankfully, since it is so obvious, it does not need to be proven. Anyone with a brain can figure it out.


The self serving bias here is too much. You are basically saying "There is no evidence so OF COURSE people must agree with me". It's like the very idea that you could be incorrect can't survive in the hostile environment of your mind for more than a microsecond lol.

If you can't prove it you can't know, why would any reasonable person hang the basis of their opinion on something they can't prove? Oops, I think I indented the reason in my own question lol.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#510 - 2014-10-28 21:06:59 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Too many pages to back track to what this thread was about, I'm sure it was on about getting better ways to execute gankers.


Copy ralphs example

http://www.devilswarrior.info/kb/index.php/alliance_detail/643/

try something like that
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#511 - 2014-10-28 21:15:44 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


There exists no surveys or charts or what not on what highsec PvE players "think." Thankfully, since it is so obvious, it does not need to be proven. Anyone with a brain can figure it out.


The self serving bias here is too much. You are basically saying "There is no evidence so OF COURSE people must agree with me". It's like the very idea that you could be incorrect can't survive in the hostile environment of your mind for more than a microsecond lol.

If you can't prove it you can't know, why would any reasonable person hang the basis of their opinion on something they can't prove? Oops, I think I indented the reason in my own question lol.


Because I actually go and talk to them, and the overwhelming sentiment is opposition to the bumping and ganking mechanics. When I raised this issue with the CODE folks they didn't disagree, they just called the miners "criminals."

But hey if in your idea of bizzaroland somehow the miners and haulers like being blown up, well good for you then. I think the reasonable people here who read the forums, talk to the PvE players, read minerbumping, and use common sense, realize that the highsec "carebear" population is not very pleased with the CODE ganking/bumping exploits.
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#512 - 2014-10-28 21:23:36 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Because I actually go and talk to them, and the overwhelming sentiment is opposition to the bumping and ganking mechanics. When I raised this issue with the CODE folks they didn't disagree, they just called the miners "criminals."

But hey if in your idea of bizzaroland somehow the miners and haulers like being blown up, well good for you then. I think the reasonable people here who read the forums, talk to the PvE players, read minerbumping, and use common sense, realize that the highsec "carebear" population is not very pleased with the CODE ganking/bumping exploits.


The fact that you are literally the only person in threads like this who feels that way is resounding evidence that you are wrong.

Veers - how much time do you spend telling those miners how to better tank their ships, how to use d-scan, how to stay pre-aligned to safe spots, how to find defense fleets? Since you care this much, I assume a pretty big chunk of your time is spent doing things like that. Right?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#513 - 2014-10-28 21:34:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Because I actually go and talk to them, and the overwhelming sentiment is opposition to the bumping and ganking mechanics. When I raised this issue with the CODE folks they didn't disagree, they just called the miners "criminals."

But hey if in your idea of bizzaroland somehow the miners and haulers like being blown up, well good for you then. I think the reasonable people here who read the forums, talk to the PvE players, read minerbumping, and use common sense, realize that the highsec "carebear" population is not very pleased with the CODE ganking/bumping exploits.


The fact that you are literally the only person in threads like this who feels that way is resounding evidence that you are wrong.

Veers - how much time do you spend telling those miners how to better tank their ships, how to use d-scan, how to stay pre-aligned to safe spots, how to find defense fleets? Since you care this much, I assume a pretty big chunk of your time is spent doing things like that. Right?


Do you bother reading the threads by the miners who get ganked and then mocked by the PvP experts here? Go read through the forums.

Also, why would CCP make Skiffs so much tankier if no one had a problem with the number of miners getting ganked?
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#514 - 2014-10-28 21:36:19 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Do you bother reading the threads by the miners who get ganked and then mocked by the PvP experts here? Go read through the forums.


Do you bother to read a question before responding to it? If you are doing what I just said, you will never be ganked mining.

Let me ask again.

How much time do you spend telling those miners how to better tank their ships, how to use d-scan, how to stay pre-aligned to safe spots, how to find defense fleets?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#515 - 2014-10-28 21:39:08 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

Do you bother reading the threads by the miners who get ganked and then mocked by the PvP experts here? Go read through the forums.


Do you bother to read a question before responding to it? If you are doing what I just said, you will never be ganked mining.

Let me ask again.

How much time do you spend telling those miners how to better tank their ships, how to use d-scan, how to stay pre-aligned to safe spots, how to find defense fleets?


Personally I think mining is too boring to be done non-afk, so i assume these guys are afk 95% of the time. So none of those would help.
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#516 - 2014-10-28 21:44:23 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Personally I think mining is too boring to be done non-afk, so i assume these guys are afk 95% of the time. So none of those would help.


This is as if someone kept walking out into the street and getting hit by a car, your solution is to force all cars off the road, not teach the person to look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk.

To everyone else in this thread, send me a message with a confirmed Veers kill and I will pay 100 mil/corpse.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#517 - 2014-10-28 21:48:44 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Personally I think mining is too boring to be done non-afk, so i assume these guys are afk 95% of the time. So none of those would help.


This is as if someone kept walking out into the street and getting hit by a car, your solution is to force all cars off the road, not teach the person to look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk.

To everyone else in this thread, send me a message with a confirmed Veers kill and I will pay 100 mil/corpse.


If you would like I'd be happy to get someone to podkill an empty clone of mine and split the 100 mil.

As far as your analogy - if the same people kept intentionally going onto the sidewalk and hitting people with cars I would send them for extended jail sentences instead of blaming the victims.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#518 - 2014-10-28 22:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
Do you bother reading the threads by the miners who get ganked and then mocked by the PvP experts here? Go read through the forums.
You mean the threads where people tell them how to avoid being ganked via fitting their ships properly and not afk mining? The ones where the advice is met with scorn, because of its source, despite the validity of it?

Informing people how to avoid the predations of highsec gankers is not mockery, the mockery starts after the advice is ignored and scorned by people who are too damned lazy to make any effort at all to protect themselves.

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Personally I think mining is too boring to be done non-afk, so i assume these guys are afk 95% of the time. So none of those would help.
Yet you somehow magically get a response when you ask them how they feel about PvP in a PvP game Roll

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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#519 - 2014-10-28 22:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Petre en Thielles
Veers Belvar wrote:
As far as your analogy - if the same people kept intentionally going onto the sidewalk and hitting people with cars I would send them for extended jail sentences instead of blaming the victims.


...no...you are proposing the same thing as banning cars from the road because people walked into traffic without looking both ways.

The game is...."working as intended" (TM)

I will gladly give you 100 mil/month to stop posting on the forums, Veers.
Paranoid Loyd
#520 - 2014-10-28 22:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Petre en Thielles wrote:
To everyone else in this thread, send me a message with a confirmed Veers kill and I will pay 100 mil/corpse.


You're tardy to the party.

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