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In simplest terms, what is wrong with EVE

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#481 - 2014-10-28 17:23:59 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
When the Goon propaganda machine stops mocking me and starts "taking me seriously" it's probably time to quit Eve and move on....because at that point I will have stopped saying the truth.
To stop telling the truth you must first start telling the truth Shocked

TL;DR You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face with a wrecking ball.


I'm not so certain that's the kind of ball he is after Oops.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#482 - 2014-10-28 17:24:31 UTC
La Nariz wrote:


Of course as a recruiter it's my job to talk to pubbies so other goons don't have to, the sacrifices I make. Most of the highsec pubbies are blithely unaware of what is going on.

None of this removes your obligation of supporting your own claims; of which you have two:

-there is a silent majority in highesc that is unhappy with the status quo,

-you hold the same views they hold.


I guess recruiter and scammer are now interchangeable words?

Both claims are hilariously obvious and true, and anyone can easily verify them by going and actually chatting with highsec miners.

But if you need even more evidence go read blogposts on minerbumping.com and see the response of folks to the CODE.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#483 - 2014-10-28 17:26:19 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
When the Goon propaganda machine stops mocking me and starts "taking me seriously" it's probably time to quit Eve and move on....because at that point I will have stopped saying the truth.
To stop telling the truth you must first start telling the truth Shocked

TL;DR You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face with a wrecking ball.


I'm not so certain that's the kind of ball he is after Oops.


Insinuations of homosexuality (and false ones I might add!)? The new Goon meta?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#484 - 2014-10-28 17:26:19 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


Of course as a recruiter it's my job to talk to pubbies so other goons don't have to, the sacrifices I make. Most of the highsec pubbies are blithely unaware of what is going on.

None of this removes your obligation of supporting your own claims; of which you have two:

-there is a silent majority in highesc that is unhappy with the status quo,

-you hold the same views they hold.


I guess recruiter and scammer are now interchangeable words?

Both claims are hilariously obvious and true, and anyone can easily verify them by going and actually chatting with highsec miners.

But if you need even more evidence go read blogposts on minerbumping.com and see the response of folks to the CODE.


If they are obviously true then you have no excuse for refusing to produce evidence of them.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#485 - 2014-10-28 17:27:05 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


Of course as a recruiter it's my job to talk to pubbies so other goons don't have to, the sacrifices I make. Most of the highsec pubbies are blithely unaware of what is going on.

None of this removes your obligation of supporting your own claims; of which you have two:

-there is a silent majority in highesc that is unhappy with the status quo,

-you hold the same views they hold.


I guess recruiter and scammer are now interchangeable words?

Both claims are hilariously obvious and true, and anyone can easily verify them by going and actually chatting with highsec miners.

But if you need even more evidence go read blogposts on minerbumping.com and see the response of folks to the CODE.


If they are obviously true then you have no excuse for refusing to produce evidence of them.


I have. Not every piece of evidence involves charts and graphs. Talking to people is also evidence.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#486 - 2014-10-28 17:28:18 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


Of course as a recruiter it's my job to talk to pubbies so other goons don't have to, the sacrifices I make. Most of the highsec pubbies are blithely unaware of what is going on.

None of this removes your obligation of supporting your own claims; of which you have two:

-there is a silent majority in highesc that is unhappy with the status quo,

-you hold the same views they hold.


I guess recruiter and scammer are now interchangeable words?

Both claims are hilariously obvious and true, and anyone can easily verify them by going and actually chatting with highsec miners.

But if you need even more evidence go read blogposts on minerbumping.com and see the response of folks to the CODE.


La Nariz is not a scammer. Well at least he was not when I asked him how to join Goonwaffe. I didn't join because :reasons: but at the end of the exchange, I was left with a hoard of information and my asset list/wallet intact.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#487 - 2014-10-28 17:29:50 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
@veers:

Then you should be able to produce a survey showing a significance. Yes facts and data are required to support your claims, no there isn't an easy way out, yes you and only you have to do the work, no I won't go get baltec1 for you.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#488 - 2014-10-28 17:31:02 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
When the Goon propaganda machine stops mocking me and starts "taking me seriously" it's probably time to quit Eve and move on....because at that point I will have stopped saying the truth.
To stop telling the truth you must first start telling the truth Shocked

TL;DR You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face with a wrecking ball.


I'm not so certain that's the kind of ball he is after Oops.


Insinuations of homosexuality (and false ones I might add!)? The new Goon meta?


Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#489 - 2014-10-28 17:33:09 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
@veers:

Then you should be able to produce a survey showing a significance. Yes facts and data are required to support your claims, no there isn't an easy way out, yes you and only you have to do the work, no I won't go get baltec1 for you.


You're asking for evidence from someone who isn't an evidence based thinker lol.

On a side note, it's typical of an discussion with high sec partisans. we can go back and look at any of those old thread naughts about high vs null and see the null side provide links and graphs and ccp videos and copy pasted dev posts and other forms of evidence while the high sec side would post "well, everyone I've talked to said" and nothing else. Twisted
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#490 - 2014-10-28 17:33:47 UTC
La Nariz wrote:


Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.


Ooooh....epic.

Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred."

It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#491 - 2014-10-28 17:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
Both claims are hilariously obvious and true, and anyone can easily verify them by going and actually chatting with highsec miners.
If they can find one that's actually able to respond because they're not AFK Twisted

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But if you need even more evidence go read blogposts on minerbumping.com and see the response of folks to the CODE.
You mean all of those people who appear to have a problem distinguishing the difference between reality and fantasy and spew vitriol and threats of real life violence for acts carried out in a virtual world? They're hardly well adjusted individuals tbh.

Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.


Ooooh....epic.

Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred."

It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster?
You assumed he was talking about homosexuality, that's your own bigotry in action. A ball could be just that, a round object or a formal dance etc.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#492 - 2014-10-28 17:34:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
@veers:

Then you should be able to produce a survey showing a significance. Yes facts and data are required to support your claims, no there isn't an easy way out, yes you and only you have to do the work, no I won't go get baltec1 for you.


You're asking for evidence from someone who isn't an evidence based thinker lol.

On a side note, it's typical of an discussion with high sec partisans. we can go back and look at any of those old thread naughts about high vs null and see the null side provide links and graphs and ccp videos and copy pasted dev posts and other forms of evidence while the high sec side would post "well, everyone I've talked to said" and nothing else. Twisted


There exists no surveys or charts or what not on what highsec PvE players "think." Thankfully, since it is so obvious, it does not need to be proven. Anyone with a brain can figure it out.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#493 - 2014-10-28 17:35:30 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.


Ooooh....epic.

Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred."

It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster?


I didn't accuse you of anything I called you out for your homophobia.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#494 - 2014-10-28 17:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.


Ooooh....epic.

Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred."

It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster?


I didn't accuse you of anything I called you out for your homophobia.


You accused me of having a mancrush on someone, and then questioned what type of "ball" I am after with a red embarrassed face. Pretty low stuff. Maybe try to show at least a shred of class here?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#495 - 2014-10-28 17:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
There exists no surveys or charts or what not on what highsec PvE players "think." Thankfully, since it is so obvious, it does not need to be proven. Anyone with a brain can figure it out.
Maybe you should start one, I'll even make it easy for you by providing the first response.

I'm a highsec PvE player and I think that the current highsec mechanics are fine because I take precautions to protect myself, by using the mechanics available to me, from the actions of others who may play the game more aggressively than I do.

Oh wait, what I think doesn't matter to you because it doesn't fall into your rather narrow minded vision for Eve that you claim will make it a paradise of milk and honey.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#496 - 2014-10-28 17:45:15 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Accuse me of homosexuality

stop typing verrs, for your own good.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#497 - 2014-10-28 17:47:56 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Accuse me of homosexuality

stop typing verrs, for your own good.


Hardly. Expecting at least a minimal level of decorum on the forums should not be too much to ask for. I don't think the supposed "dystopian" society of Eve extends to the forums.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#498 - 2014-10-28 17:50:48 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.


Ooooh....epic.

Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred."

It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster?


I didn't accuse you of anything I called you out for your homophobia.


You accused me of having a mancrush on someone, and then questioned what type of "ball" I am after with a red embarrassed face. Pretty low stuff. Maybe try to show at least a shred of class here?


I noted an observation I never accused you of anything. You are the one that got homophobic on all of us.

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Paranoid Loyd
#499 - 2014-10-28 17:51:11 UTC
Tears Belvar everyone, Tears. He'll be here all week.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#500 - 2014-10-28 17:53:30 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
La Nariz wrote:


Bigotry and hatred are not cool man.


Ooooh....epic.

Accuse me of homosexuality, get called on it, respond that doing so is "bigotry and hatred."

It's not even a good troll. Try harder. This is really the best Goons can muster?


I didn't accuse you of anything I called you out for your homophobia.


You accused me of having a mancrush on someone, and then questioned what type of "ball" I am after with a red embarrassed face. Pretty low stuff. Maybe try to show at least a shred of class here?


I noted an observation I never accused you of anything. You are the one that got homophobic on all of us.


No you suggested that my sexual preference is homosexuality without a shred of evidence for it. Why you would do such a thing is beyond me. Is this the new Goon tactic to try and antagonize their opponents...suggest things about their personal preferences? Why not try to stick to substantive issues on the forums and avoid this kind of personal garbage? As a recruiter for a major alliance I expect a lot more from you - try to show at least a minimal level of class here.