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In simplest terms, what is wrong with EVE

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#301 - 2014-10-26 19:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
And yet you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time crying about what I do and post. So apparently one of us is much more interested in the other, and it sure ain't me.
The only crying I do is laughter related, mostly at your expense.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#302 - 2014-10-26 19:08:23 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

And yet you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time crying about what I do and post. So apparently one of us is much more interested in the other, and it sure ain't me.


He posts less than you do per day.

Oh, and he isn't crying, he's actively mocking you. Much of this forum is doing that, for that matter.


No, he, like you, is obsessing with what I post - unable to handle out that some of us are proud and happy PvE players, unrepentant for our playstyles. And for someone who goes around calling himself a high functioning sociopath, I'm really, really unconcerned by attempts from you and your ilk to mock me.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#303 - 2014-10-26 19:11:27 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

And yet you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time crying about what I do and post. So apparently one of us is much more interested in the other, and it sure ain't me.


He posts less than you do per day.

Oh, and he isn't crying, he's actively mocking you. Much of this forum is doing that, for that matter.


No, he, like you, is obsessing with what I post - unable to handle out that some of us are proud and happy PvE players, unrepentant for our playstyles. And for someone who goes around calling himself a high functioning sociopath, I'm really, really unconcerned by attempts from you and your ilk to mock me.


I'm a PVE player. I post to let other people know that you are in no way a representative of the PVEing EVE community.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#304 - 2014-10-26 19:13:31 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

And yet you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time crying about what I do and post. So apparently one of us is much more interested in the other, and it sure ain't me.


He posts less than you do per day.

Oh, and he isn't crying, he's actively mocking you. Much of this forum is doing that, for that matter.


No, he, like you, is obsessing with what I post - unable to handle out that some of us are proud and happy PvE players, unrepentant for our playstyles. And for someone who goes around calling himself a high functioning sociopath, I'm really, really unconcerned by attempts from you and your ilk to mock me.


I'm a PVE player. I post to let other people know that you are in no way a representative of the PVEing EVE community.


Good for you. I think you are in no way representative of the broad highsec PvE "carebear" community. And happily so, I might add.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#305 - 2014-10-26 19:14:36 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

No, he, like you, is obsessing with what I post - unable to handle out that some of us are proud and happy PvE players, unrepentant for our playstyles.


Nope. He and I were here before you, and we'll be here long after you've either been banned or chased away from this game.

And with how prolific your rampant trolling is, it's pretty hard not to trip over some of the nonsense you sperg all over this forum. It's pretty much impossible in fact. You seem to have some burning desire to make sure everyone knows you are a worthless carebear, which is akin to wearing a sandwich board advertising your mental illness.

I'd ignore you, but you embarrass yourself often enough that you provide a fair amount of amusement.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#306 - 2014-10-26 19:15:41 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Good for you. I think you are in no way representative of the broad highsec PvE "carebear" community. And happily so, I might add.


Of course he isn't representative of the highsec carebear community, Jenn is a real player.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#307 - 2014-10-26 19:17:42 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Good for you. I think you are in no way representative of the broad highsec PvE "carebear" community. And happily so, I might add.


Wrong (as usual). Most of us who pve in high sec don't whine about gankers on the forums or obsess about them like you do. We get on with the business of playing. Most PVE players are way more like me than like you, we know gankers have the same right to play the way they want to as we do and we take pride in avoiding them rather then crying like children.
Crimson Nirnroots
Compliant Munitions
#308 - 2014-10-26 19:18:07 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
This is EVE, the best ting you can do for a new player is kick his butt and if he's EVE material, it's make him mad AND make him learn how to avoid a butt kicking. Screw this new age kumbayaa crap.


Yes, I agree with this. Very much.I was not very clear in my post, sorry for that.

Kumbayaa. I don't sing Blink

I think educating pilots is important right from the word go. That education includes a good buttwhoopin, no handholding, no 'stand behind me, thou fragile vase'.

I love reading about the pilots who had conversations with the victors of their engagements. I really enjoy reading about the corps or FC's that give pilots direction and expectations, and provide for them realistic environments to practice and succeed at those tasks.

I think constructive feedback is important.

I don't think that happens all of the time, and for the time I have lurked here before posting I witnessed many posts of players 'saving the new pilots' from everything but themselves.

Forgive me my clarity, my coffee is nearly complete o7

Antimatter, now with more Nirnroots.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#309 - 2014-10-26 19:18:19 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

No, he, like you, is obsessing with what I post - unable to handle out that some of us are proud and happy PvE players, unrepentant for our playstyles.


Nope. He and I were here before you, and we'll be here long after you've either been banned or chased away from this game.

And with how prolific your rampant trolling is, it's pretty hard not to trip over some of the nonsense you sperg all over this forum. It's pretty much impossible in fact. You seem to have some burning desire to make sure everyone knows you are a worthless carebear, which is akin to wearing a sandwich board advertising your mental illness.

I'd ignore you, but you embarrass yourself often enough that you provide a fair amount of amusement.


I guess we can have a contest to see which of us gets banned first....I can't imagine who will win. Roll

And for the record, I think that the highsec PvE players are the "real players" not the scammers, awoxers, market manipulators, wardeccers, etc....
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#310 - 2014-10-26 19:19:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
No, he, like you, is obsessing with what I post - unable to handle out that some of us are proud and happy PvE players, unrepentant for our playstyles. And for someone who goes around calling himself a high functioning sociopath, I'm really, really unconcerned by attempts from you and your ilk to mock me.
Pointing out the flaws and ignorance evident in pretty much everything you post is not obsessive, it's a public service to those who may mistakenly think you know what you're talking about.

As for the rest, I'm a happy and unrepentant PvE player, I mine, I mission, I trade, I make stuff. However I accept that others are free to shoot at me if they wish to, and take steps to lower the chances of that happening. You on the other hand want CCP to take those steps for you, which makes you a dirty stinking carebear.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#311 - 2014-10-26 19:20:03 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Good for you. I think you are in no way representative of the broad highsec PvE "carebear" community. And happily so, I might add.


Wrong (as usual). Most of us who pve in high sec don't whine about gankers on the forums or obsess about them like you do. We get on with the business of playing. Most PVE players are way more like me than like you, we know gankers have the same right to play the way they want to as we do and we take pride in avoiding them rather then crying like children.


Nonsense. The vast majority of highsec PvE players wan't to be able to happily PvE without constantly being wardecced, ganked, awoxxed, etc..... Virtually none of them appreciate the PvP folks. Look at the all the forum posts requesting nerfs.

You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#312 - 2014-10-26 19:25:00 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

I guess we can have a contest to see which of us gets banned first....I can't imagine who will win. Roll


I'm 6-0 so far. Go for it. Hell I outlived Dinsdale, and you're half the man he was.


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And for the record, I think that the highsec PvE players are the "real players" not the scammers, awoxers, market manipulators, wardeccers, etc....


You think wrong.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#313 - 2014-10-26 19:25:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
Nonsense. The vast majority of highsec PvE players wan't to be able to happily PvE without constantly being wardecced, ganked, awoxxed, etc.....
I've managed to happily PvE away for the last 5 years with absolutley zero wardecs, ganks, awoxing etc. The only problems I've had have been down to my own stupidity and greed.

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Virtually none of them appreciate the PvP folks. Look at the all the forum posts requesting nerfs.
They should do, without PvP players there would be pretty much nobody to sell ships and modules to.

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You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
Maybe you should take this statement to heart. You're continually presenting your own opinion as fact, or doesn't it apply to you?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#314 - 2014-10-26 19:28:44 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
The vast majority of highsec PvE players wan't to be able to happily PvE without constantly being wardecced, ganked, awoxxed, etc.....


Which is exactly why non consensual PvP is so important. If it were up to people like you, PvP would not exist at all.

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Virtually none of them appreciate the PvP folks. Look at the all the forum posts requesting nerfs.


Yeah, they are ungrateful little pricks, by and large. You'd think they'd be thankful for the tireless efforts of the real players to bring some excitement into their lives.

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You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.


Oh, the irony of someone like you saying something like this. You people literally demand your own facts, because if you can't make things up, your basic point stops existing at all.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#315 - 2014-10-26 19:30:41 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
No, he, like you, is obsessing with what I post - unable to handle out that some of us are proud and happy PvE players, unrepentant for our playstyles. And for someone who goes around calling himself a high functioning sociopath, I'm really, really unconcerned by attempts from you and your ilk to mock me.
Pointing out the flaws and ignorance evident in pretty much everything you post is not obsessive, it's a public service to those who may mistakenly think you know what you're talking about.

As for the rest I'm a happy and unrepentant PvE player, I mine, I mission I trade, I make stuff. However I accept that others are free to shoot at me if they wish to, and take steps to lower the chances of that happening. You on the other hand want CCP to take those steps for you.


Nonsense. I am completely unconcerned about people shooting at me. When has it happened before? I consider myself virtually invincible, and completely unconcerned by the laughable gankers.

What does concern me is the slaughter of AFK haulers and miners, of new players, and of generally helpless people in places like Uedama. That I think is profoundly wrong, and determintal to the game, and that I think should be addressed by CCP.

Nothing to do with me, Veers will be fine regardless.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#316 - 2014-10-26 19:32:50 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Nonsense. I am completely unconcerned about people shooting at me. When has it happened before? I consider myself virtually invincible, and completely unconcerned by the laughable gankers.

What does concern me is the slaughter of AFK haulers and miners, of new players, and of generally helpless people in places like Uedama. That I think is profoundly wrong, and determintal to the game, and that I think should be addressed by CCP.

Nothing to do with me, Veers will be fine regardless.


So go out and protect them then if it bothers you, Uedama is not a rookie system.

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#317 - 2014-10-26 19:33:03 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

And yet you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time crying about what I do and post. So apparently one of us is much more interested in the other, and it sure ain't me.


He posts less than you do per day.

Oh, and he isn't crying, he's actively mocking you. Much of this forum is doing that, for that matter.


No, he, like you, is obsessing with what I post - unable to handle out that some of us are proud and happy PvE players, unrepentant for our playstyles. And for someone who goes around calling himself a high functioning sociopath, I'm really, really unconcerned by attempts from you and your ilk to mock me.

well luckily for us, the posts you leave here are several orders of magnitude funnier than anything we could say about you Big smile

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#318 - 2014-10-26 19:35:52 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Nonsense. I am completely unconcerned about people shooting at me. When has it happened before? I consider myself virtually invincible, and completely unconcerned by the laughable gankers.

What does concern me is the slaughter of AFK haulers and miners, of new players, and of generally helpless people in places like Uedama. That I think is profoundly wrong, and determintal to the game, and that I think should be addressed by CCP.

Nothing to do with me, Veers will be fine regardless.


So go out and protect them then if it bothers you, Uedama is not a rookie system.


There is no way to "protect" against a guy in a thrasher undocking every 15 minutes to shoot autopiloting shuttles and pods. There is no way to "protect" against 40 man gank fleets in Uedama. There is no way to arrest people, put them on trial, and sentence them to 15 years in jail. The maximum punishment you can administer is destruction of ship and pod, which for gankers is laughably cheap.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#319 - 2014-10-26 19:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
Nonsense. I am completely unconcerned about people shooting at me. When has it happened before? I consider myself virtually invincible, and completely unconcerned by the laughable gankers.
Nonsense is the right word for about 99.99% of your posting, including this particular little gem.

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What does concern me is the slaughter of AFK haulers and miners
Don't be AFK, it's that simple.

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of new players,
When new players get ganked you'll find that the gankers will often reimburse them for their losses once they realise that they're newbies, especially if they're good sports about it.

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and of generally helpless people in places like Uedama.
They choose to be helpless, their problem not mine, or anybody else's for that matter

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That I think is profoundly wrong, and determintal to the game, and that I think should be addressed by CCP.
Your opinion is irrelevant, CCP address things that they see as worth addressing, non consensual PvP in highsec is not on their list of things worth addressing as far as I know; especially when you take into account that, as was so wisely said by CCP Solomon, "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built"

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#320 - 2014-10-26 19:40:22 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

There is no way to "protect" against a guy in a thrasher undocking every 15 minutes to shoot autopiloting shuttles and pods.


False. Not only have I done it to other people, I have had it done to me.

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There is no way to "protect" against 40 man gank fleets in Uedama.


Also false. Spoken like a true "never-was", Anslo would be proud.

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There is no way to arrest people, put them on trial, and sentence them to 15 years in jail.


Of course not, since no real crime is being committed.

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The maximum punishment you can administer is destruction of ship and pod, which for gankers is laughably cheap.


That's because, unlike you, gankers don't refuse to admit that risk exists, they accept it, embrace it, and take steps to mitigate negative outcomes.

They do this because, again unlike you, gankers are real players.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.