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In simplest terms, what is wrong with EVE

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Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#181 - 2014-10-24 14:52:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Stop trying to create a false equivalency between bad behavior and normal behavior.


I'm not "creating" anything. It's simply how it works for beings who are capable of emotion. "Equivalency between bad behavior and normal behavior"? You clearly are confused. What "bad behavior"? Emotional investment is normal behavior.

@Jenn

There is a difference between being emotionally invested in the activity and being emotionally invested in the object. You enjoyed working on the car (emotionally invested in the activity) but felt nothing when you sold it (no emotional investment in the car). You may have enjoyed raising the cattle (emotional investment in the activity) but felt nothing when you sent the cattle for slaughter (no emotional investment in the cattle).

It's easy to get confused here where you thought what you were emotionally invested in was the object when that wasn't actually the case.

People do actually get emotionally invested in roller coasters when they ride them. It why they behave the way they do while on them. You even see it when they go on about it after the ride is over. It become even more evident when they 'can't wait to get back on it'.

As for casual sex. People do get emotionally invested there too. Again this is an area where you can get easily confused. What you are interested in is yourself and your own pleasure. What you are not emotionally invested in (and it's the defining point of what makes it "casual") is the the other person.


As all this pertains to EvE, yes you can be emotionally invested in EvE but not be emotionally invested into your ship within EvE. This is where people are getting confused.

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Carebears on Fire
#182 - 2014-10-24 14:53:00 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


I remember the shower I took this morning, I guess I'm emotionally invested in washing my ass?


Man I hope so. You ever smelled week old pod goo and burrito farts?

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Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#183 - 2014-10-24 14:55:51 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:

And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.


You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all.


These two posts are wrong and passing opinion on as neuroscience.

In no way did I mention neuroscience in those posts or make any claim to be an expert in it. It's interesting that you do however.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#184 - 2014-10-24 14:57:34 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Stop trying to create a false equivalency between bad behavior and normal behavior.


I'm not "creating" anything. It's simply how it works for beings who are capable of emotion. "Equivalency between bad behavior and normal behavior"? You clearly are confused. What "bad behavior"? Emotional investment is normal behavior.


That's exactly what you are doing.

Hell, literally a few sentences after you claim that you aren't doing it, you do it.

It's not "how it works", that's just you talking out of your ass. Flipping your lid when you lose a 10million isk retriever is completely insane. It is NOT "normal behavior", it is incredibly ****ed up and childish.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2014-10-24 14:57:49 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:

And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.


You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all.


These two posts are wrong and passing opinion on as neuroscience.

In no way did I mention neuroscience in those posts or make any claim to be an expert in it. It's interesting that you do however.


You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience.

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Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#186 - 2014-10-24 15:00:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:

And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.


I spent a lot of time on a car I rebuilt. Then i sold it. Money trumps nostalgia.

I spent a lot of time raising a cow from the day it was born....right up to the time I shipped it to a slaughter house and they shipped me back Steaks and I sold the rest to the people who make hair brushes, bubble gum, shampoo and water proofing agents.

I spent a LOT of time collecting rookie baseball cards. Sold them for a trip to Disney as a kid.

The list of IMPORTANT things in my life, the things I am "Emotionally Invested" in is limited to my family, my friends, my country and my career.

My Archon and My Machariel are nice, they are not on that list however. If such things are on someone's list, they have problems.

You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all.


I remember the shower I took this morning, I guess I'm emotionally invested in washing my ass?

You have a screwy and incorrect idea of what the term "emotional investment" means. Just because you spend time on something or remember something doesn't mean you are attached to it. I remember the burger I ate yesterday too.

It's a bit different to remember something that happened during your childhood and something you ate yesterday.

And somehow I don't think this semantic argument has any bearing on what is or isn't wrong with Eve.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2014-10-24 15:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
It certainly does, the fact that you are losing the argument doesn't have any bearing on it.

Some people get emotionally invested in a video game that is based around loss and gain then get furious when they experience the loss part. It's literally a summary of the op.

You should not get emotionally invested in a video game.

E: You should at least read the neuroscience page on Wikipedia before you spread anymore disinformative opinions.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#188 - 2014-10-24 15:03:09 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:

And somehow I don't think this semantic argument has any bearing on what is or isn't wrong with Eve.


It's pretty much the entire topic, actually.

Some people want to claim that "what's wrong with EVE" is that their particular mental illness is not being catered to.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#189 - 2014-10-24 15:04:25 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience.

Neuroscience is the study of the nervous system. Your feelings are related to the biochemistry of the brain, sure, but every discussion about feelings is not neuroscience.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2014-10-24 15:06:10 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience.

Neuroscience is the study of the nervous system. Your feelings are related to the biochemistry of the brain, sure, but every discussion about feelings is not neuroscience.


See my above post and if you are still confused come to my office hours.

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Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#191 - 2014-10-24 15:08:41 UTC
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Emotional_Investments.html

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#192 - 2014-10-24 15:10:03 UTC
i miss dinsdale,
if he were able to post we would all be arguing with/laughing at him instead of bickering between ourselves.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#193 - 2014-10-24 15:10:33 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Emotional_Investments.html


That was a good laugh. Next time try citing something that, you know, doesn't look like it was coded in the 90s.

Your Google-fu is weak.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#194 - 2014-10-24 15:11:26 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience.

Neuroscience is the study of the nervous system. Your feelings are related to the biochemistry of the brain, sure, but every discussion about feelings is not neuroscience.


See my above post and if you are still confused come to my office hours.

That was a timely edit I guess. And if you had office hours I would definitely never go to them if that's the totality of your debate skills.
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#195 - 2014-10-24 15:15:28 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Emotional_Investments.html


That was a good laugh. Next time try citing something that, you know, doesn't look like it was coded in the 90s.

Your Google-fu is weak.


Yeah cause you know, someone with a PhD in psychology wouldn't know what they're talking about and an anonymous armchair expert such as yourself would Roll

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2014-10-24 15:16:13 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience.

Neuroscience is the study of the nervous system. Your feelings are related to the biochemistry of the brain, sure, but every discussion about feelings is not neuroscience.


See my above post and if you are still confused come to my office hours.

That was a timely edit I guess. And if you had office hours I would definitely never go to them if that's the totality of your debate skills.


I don't need to debate people I out rank and who don't have any understanding of the field they are trying to talk about. It only lends their bad argument more credibility.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#197 - 2014-10-24 15:17:44 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Emotional_Investments.html


That was a good laugh. Next time try citing something that, you know, doesn't look like it was coded in the 90s.

Your Google-fu is weak.

the article talks more about positive social interaction and doing favours for each other. i got the idea that the line of conversation you were on was more about 'emotional investments' as 'allowing yourself to become really upset over losing a game is normal'
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#198 - 2014-10-24 15:18:34 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Emotional_Investments.html


That was a good laugh. Next time try citing something that, you know, doesn't look like it was coded in the 90s.

Your Google-fu is weak.


Yeah cause you know, someone with a PhD in psychology wouldn't know what they're talking about and an anonymous armchair expert such as yourself would Roll

the article talks about something completely different than what you and kaarous were on about though
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#199 - 2014-10-24 15:19:17 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
I don't need to debate people I out rank and who don't have any understanding of the field they are trying to talk about. It only lends their bad argument more credibility.

People you out rank? What world are you living in? I would say we should just agree to disagree but I get the feeling that's never going to happen.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#200 - 2014-10-24 15:19:22 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Emotional_Investments.html


That was a good laugh. Next time try citing something that, you know, doesn't look like it was coded in the 90s.

Your Google-fu is weak.


Yeah cause you know, someone with a PhD in psychology wouldn't know what they're talking about and an anonymous armchair expert such as yourself would Roll


It's some kind of blog and not peer reviewed or sourced well so yeah it's essentially elephant dung. Do try again though research is a good thing to do and can only help you. Try PMC their articles don't have a pay wall.

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