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Polarized weaponry (affectionately known as glass cannons)

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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
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#61 - 2014-10-22 14:20:58 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
I'm asking this only because I'm interested in words generally, and am likewise interested in the strong reaction to "blighted".

(Disclaimer: I have no skin in this name game, am not participating in the discussion that Paradox describes, I have no influence one way or the other over how items are named, and I don't feel strongly one way or the other about "blighted".)

Blight is a word used IRL mostly to describe plant disease, and secondarily as a general description for something that has been spoiled or damaged. What about it gives you such a strong "fantasy RPG" feeling? Is it the Undead Warcraft 3 sprawl thing?


In my opinion, blighted has taken on a fantasy connotation in the current era of gameplay. Whether you played WoW or Diablo or some other game, blighted was synonymous with cursed and, in games openly incorporating magic, they were weapons touched by "evil" magic that exacted a price for their use.
So, even though blight actually refers to a plant disease, with players it brings up memories of playing WoW, Diablo, Warcraft, etc... Also, it doesn't sound very "sci-fi'y"
(Diablo was the first thing I thought of, the WoT series was second)
Tikitina
Doomheim
#62 - 2014-10-22 14:22:54 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Is "Blighted" really the name you're going to use? Will we see "Cursed" and "Holy" and "Undead" weapons in the future?

My reply may be a bit snarky, but I have a very real concern here. For the love of god, hire someone who can come up with Sci-Fi names. Or make your naming person stop playing WoW.



What name theme would you suggest?


Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#63 - 2014-10-22 14:23:07 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
I'm asking this only because I'm interested in words generally, and am likewise interested in the strong reaction to "blighted".

(Disclaimer: I have no skin in this name game, am not participating in the discussion that Paradox describes, I have no influence one way or the other over how items are named, and I don't feel strongly one way or the other about "blighted".)

Blight is a word used IRL mostly to describe plant disease, and secondarily as a general description for something that has been spoiled or damaged. What about it gives you such a strong "fantasy RPG" feeling? Is it the Undead Warcraft 3 sprawl thing?



'Blight' as the manifestation or domain of fantasyland BBEGs appears in WC3, Dragon Age, and Wheel of Time just off the top of my head and sounds very Warhammer Fantasy-ish to boot.

On the other hand 'blighted' is almost never used in normal discussions in English. Relatively few people pay attention to agriculture - outside a news article on the subject (which tend to be infrequent), you're unlikely to have much exposure to the conventional meaning of the word. So the fantasy meaning is going to predominate, at least within the Eve-playing subset of the population (who are disproportionately like to consume fantasy fiction).
Valterra Craven
#64 - 2014-10-22 14:24:49 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
I'm asking this only because I'm interested in words generally, and am likewise interested in the strong reaction to "blighted".

(Disclaimer: I have no skin in this name game, am not participating in the discussion that Paradox describes, I have no influence one way or the other over how items are named, and I don't feel strongly one way or the other about "blighted".)

Blight is a word used IRL mostly to describe plant disease, and secondarily as a general description for something that has been spoiled or damaged. What about it gives you such a strong "fantasy RPG" feeling? Is it the Undead Warcraft 3 sprawl thing?



Well think about it this way, if you look at how the name is used regularly IRL then how would that name apply to anything technology related? How does a plant "blight" metal??? Further to the point, why would anyone put a weapon on their ship that could potentially "blight" the rest of their ship? That's kinda the whole point of the name is that it spreads. A lot of people would put an "overcharged" weapon or a "precurser" one, but blighted??? No. I think not.
Seraphina Amaranth
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2014-10-22 14:25:38 UTC
afkalt wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:

Blight is a word used IRL mostly to describe plant disease, and secondarily as a general description for something that has been spoiled or damaged. What about it gives you such a strong "fantasy RPG" feeling? Is it the Undead Warcraft 3 sprawl thing?



It's jarring next to this type of SciFi for me. It's reminiscent of corruption, demonic or something supernatural (perhaps too much time spent in the WH40k universe).


And yet, similar terms are perfectly okay in Sci Fi:

"The Carbon Plague"

"Nano-virus infection"

"Ecophage"

etc.
Nicholai Pestot
Recon and Reclamation
#66 - 2014-10-22 14:26:08 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
Archetype 66 wrote:
:)

What Kind of bonuses they provide ? +30 alpha ? Rof ? Omni dmg ?


We want you to try them out on Singularity as this is for feedback from the test server. If we were to write the numbers down, it would turn into just a number-crunching feedback post instead of people actually trying them out in game.


M8. Spreadsheets online isn't just a funny name.

Within 10 minutes of these going on the test server someone will screenshot/extract the stats and the number-crunching will start.

So just give us the stats.
Tikitina
Doomheim
#67 - 2014-10-22 14:26:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tikitina
BadAssMcKill wrote:
I like Unstable more than Blighted



Except we already have mods with this in there name that are not extremely overpowered, although it would be interesting to see them get the same effects.

And we have "Ghoul" mods since the last 10 years. And Vampire....


Edit: And Infectious...
Viscis Breeze
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2014-10-22 14:26:55 UTC
Natasia Nicia wrote:
CCP as most people are saying naming needs some work's just not "spacey" enough, how about naming them "Catalysed" weapons rather than Blighted


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C C P
C C P Alliance
#69 - 2014-10-22 14:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Goliath
Adrie Atticus wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
I'm asking this only because I'm interested in words generally, and am likewise interested in the strong reaction to "blighted".

(Disclaimer: I have no skin in this name game, am not participating in the discussion that Paradox describes, I have no influence one way or the other over how items are named, and I don't feel strongly one way or the other about "blighted".)

Blight is a word used IRL mostly to describe plant disease, and secondarily as a general description for something that has been spoiled or damaged. What about it gives you such a strong "fantasy RPG" feeling? Is it the Undead Warcraft 3 sprawl thing?



It's the normal naming convention in fantasy literature and games, rarely used in sci-fi due to people usually connecting blight to plague, famine and disease. Even though many sci-fi writers (and tv series) drop the "Blight of the mankind" all the time, it's usually connected to loss, failure and death. It's not a bad word, just not really used in sci-fi, more in fantasy and high fantasy.


I think "Normal" might be the wrong word, but maybe "natural" might suit better? Doing some research I've dug up a few references to blight. We've got a location in The Wheel of Time series, a location in Worlds of the Imperium, some malfunctioning terraforming microbes, a T.E.S. disease, an alien race in DC comics, a Transformer, a baddy in seminal cartoon classic "Captain Planet" and of course the aforementioned WC3. This is around a 50/50 split to 75/25 split of fantasy/scifi, depending on your definitions of them both I guess. This leads me to draw the conclusion that it's a word that people think is cool, maybe even quite badass, despite its most common usage to be to describe bad potatoes Big smile

EDIT: Missed out on like, half of the Nurgle forces of WH40k, but you get the idea Smile

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Seraphina Amaranth
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2014-10-22 14:29:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraphina Amaranth
Tikitina wrote:

What name theme would you suggest?


Endophagic

lit. 'eats within'
John Caffeine
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-10-22 14:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: John Caffeine
Looking at the stats ingame, these guns seem very underwhelming.

Blighted Mega Pulse has a RoF of 7.20s compared to the normal 7.88, and a damage modifier of 3.8 instead of the normal 3.6 one. Tracking is 0.0375 instead of 0.3375, and range is 20.6+6 instead of 24+8.

So damage wise you gain a bit of dps and tracking while losing some range. Not really worth trading all your resists for.


New name suggestion: "Underwhelming".
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#72 - 2014-10-22 14:34:50 UTC
John Caffeine wrote:
Looking at the stats ingame, these guns seem very underwhelming.

Blighted Mega Pulse has a RoF of 7.20s compared to the normal 7.88, and a damage modifier of 3.8 instead of the normal 3.6 one. Tracking is 0.0375 instead of 0.3375, and range is 20.6+6 instead of 24+8.

So damage wise you gain a bit of dps and tracking while losing some range. Not really worth trading all your resists for.


New name suggestion, "Underwhelming".

Unless of course you don't care about your tank for some reason.


Grrr Marmite
Bright Onyx
Savage Blizzard
#73 - 2014-10-22 14:34:50 UTC
Hmm blighted guns.. How about made them to inflict blight to a hiitted vessel.

Thus inflicting DoT and illness to the vessel.
Ian Praetorius
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-10-22 14:36:40 UTC
Bright Onyx wrote:
Hmm blighted guns.. How about made them to inflict blight to a hiitted vessel.

Thus inflicting DoT and illness to the vessel.


:getout:
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#75 - 2014-10-22 14:42:46 UTC
This is a terrible, hideous idea, but I'm going to post it anyway: make the damage increase proportional to the lost resists.

So if you have an average resist of 80%, you get more extra damage than if you have an average resist of 30%.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2014-10-22 14:45:10 UTC
Seraphina Amaranth wrote:
afkalt wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:

Blight is a word used IRL mostly to describe plant disease, and secondarily as a general description for something that has been spoiled or damaged. What about it gives you such a strong "fantasy RPG" feeling? Is it the Undead Warcraft 3 sprawl thing?



It's jarring next to this type of SciFi for me. It's reminiscent of corruption, demonic or something supernatural (perhaps too much time spent in the WH40k universe).


And yet, similar terms are perfectly okay in Sci Fi:

"The Carbon Plague"

"Nano-virus infection"

"Ecophage"

etc.


None of those hold supernatural connotations though, blighted does - to me at least.
Powers Sa
#77 - 2014-10-22 14:48:49 UTC
Glad to see these are mostly short range and forcing people to semi-commit. long range guns would be pure aids.

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Panda McLegion
#78 - 2014-10-22 14:51:48 UTC
I can sort of see it - your ship is infected with a resistance blight.

But to me, this is a new technology, right? And we don't invent technology and market it for the drawbacks it might have, we focus on the positives.**

These should definitely be vorpal weapons.



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Gimme Da Loot
#79 - 2014-10-22 14:51:51 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
[quote=Adrie Atticus]

I think "Normal" might be the wrong word, but maybe "natural" might suit better? Doing some research I've dug up a few references to blight. We've got a location in The Wheel of Time series, a location in Worlds of the Imperium, some malfunctioning terraforming microbes, a T.E.S. disease, an alien race in DC comics, a Transformer, a baddy in seminal cartoon classic "Captain Planet" and of course the aforementioned WC3. This is around a 50/50 split to 75/25 split of fantasy/scifi, depending on your definitions of them both I guess. This leads me to draw the conclusion that it's a word that people think is cool, maybe even quite badass, despite its most common usage to be to describe bad potatoes Big smile

EDIT: Missed out on like, half of the Nurgle forces of WH40k, but you get the idea Smile


Keep the name, its brilliant. It will take the focus away from the terrible game design and put it on the name.
Slap Chop
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2014-10-22 14:53:29 UTC
Small Sized
Badass Small Pulse Laser
Badass Light Neutron Blaster
Badass 200mm AutoCannon
Badass Rocket Launcher

Medium Sized
Badass Heavy Pulse Laser
Badass Heavy Neutron Blaster
Badass 425mm AutoCannon
Badass Heavy Assault Missile Launcher

Large Sized
Badass Mega Pulse Laser
Badass Neutron Blaster Cannon
Badass 800mm Repeating Cannon
Badass Torpedo Launcher