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Polarized weaponry (affectionately known as glass cannons)

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Zappity
Exit-Strategy
Unchained Alliance
#341 - 2014-10-27 19:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
I think you are confused. This is EVE, a sci fi MMO, not a vampire MMO.

This is worse than blighted. The connotations are definitely non-EVE.

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Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#342 - 2014-10-27 19:30:55 UTC
I have a few issues and solutions to this.
1. The damage boost is tiny for the total loss of resists.

This problem is pretty big. If you boost the damage too high they're likely to be way OP in certain circumstances, but as of now it isn't worth the resist loss.
The best solution here is to make it a resist loss PER gun with a stacking penalty similar to resist modules. Not only does this allow for versatility which is inherent in every ship due to the ability to fit multiple different modules but it also allows for meta levels of these kinds of weapons that provide greater damage/tracking bonuses for weaker resists/ranges.

This would make them much more viable as well as it allows players to boost their damage without sacrificing ALL their resists but still taking a decent hit to EHP. So it still keeps them out of fleets (as resists are better then solid HP) but doesn't make them unwanted like they are in their current state. All without having to change their current damage, ROF or range. The amount of resist reduction could be tweeked per turret but seeing as how each class of ship can hold a different amount of guns it might have to be tested, especially in regards to destroyers and battle cruisers.

2. Pricing.

You mention it will cost the same as faction guns but that actually doesn't mean anything to us especially since faction guns are currently broken in regards to price vs performance and I believe it has been mentioned that with the module tiericide they will be balanced better in that regard. So what can we really expect when you say they're priced similarly?
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
Viral Society
#343 - 2014-10-27 20:07:59 UTC
I have to agree with my more vocal peers. Both blighted and stigmatic are terrible names.

Of the various suggestions in the thread I actually like Berserker the most. It has a definite connotation that fits in with the weapon's function, and it sounds like something a pirate crew would come up with to do fast hit and runs on unarmed targets (like cruise liners).

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#344 - 2014-10-27 20:23:44 UTC
Call it WTF because WTF is the point of those guns.

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stoicfaux
#345 - 2014-10-27 20:37:34 UTC
Zappity wrote:
I think you are confused. This is EVE, a sci fi MMO, not a vampire MMO.

Aha! CCP is recycling existing World of Darkness dev assets!

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#346 - 2014-10-27 21:22:05 UTC
lol. ok i want blighted back. who said it can't get worse regarding naming?

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Align Planet1
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#347 - 2014-10-27 21:34:11 UTC
Is it possible that a ship fitting these weapons would have negative resists in a Pulsar WH system?
Jakob Anedalle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#348 - 2014-10-27 21:35:28 UTC
Let's give some positive ideas rather than hating on everything.

I think the earlier suggestion of "overclocked" was good, though there were specific mechanics recommended there that I rather liked as well.

Or make us some lore like:

Crystalizing. The innovation of these weapon systems came from using the hull of the ship as an over-sized crystalline resonator. The downside of which was that the defenses of the hull become very fragile in the face of any applied energy.

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BobFromMarketing
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#349 - 2014-10-27 21:37:52 UTC
Jakob Anedalle wrote:
Let's give some positive ideas rather than hating on everything.

I think the earlier suggestion of "overclocked" was good, though there were specific mechanics recommended there that I rather liked as well.

Or make us some lore like:

Crystalizing. The innovation of these weapon systems came from using the hull of the ship as an over-sized crystalline resonator. The downside of which was that the defenses of the hull become very fragile in the face of any applied energy.

I actually rather like the crystallized thing. Didn't think I would till I read the explanation
Soden Rah
Eve Navy
#350 - 2014-10-27 22:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Soden Rah
Ok.. On the topic of how good/useful the guns are ignoring the name...


I don't think I can really evaluate them without knowing how much [ballpark] they will cost.


I'm looking at a cruiser fit atm which has gone from 730dps to 876dps [with a range drop but tracking boost]
where the ehp has only dropped 100hp from 5,500 to 5,400.

So If you were building a glass cannon fit anyway... this fit has gained some worthwhile [paper] dps.
[Although I really don't like the loss of range as blasters are short enough range to kick off with, and
glass cannon like to kite wherever possible.]
with very little loss of ehp.

But you build glass cannon out of cheap t1 hulls that you don't cry over WHEN they go bang.

If these modules cost a few mill isk each [med blasters T2 currently about 1 mill each on TQ] then that might be
worth while...

If these modules cost 20~100 mill each, then it's not even worth considering.


How I might fit them and how I might use them is DEPENDENT on how much they cost.

I'm looking at fits and strategies I might consider and I just keep thinking that whether or not these weapons would
be worthwhile, and how I would use them, will depend entirely on how much isk I have to sink into them and how disposable
I consider the fit to be.

If the expected cost [for the med size weapons] is <5mill per unit then they can be considered compatible with disposable
glass cannon fits for small gang work.
If the cost is >20 mill per unit then the usage is going to be non-disposable ships with staying power or used where things shooting back is not anticipated... [which happens when in eve?]


Could we get some word on some kind of pricing for these... Because if these are just a bit above T2 prices then I think these are potentially interesting, if a little niche. [and I still want the range to be put back or even boosted, I think these should be aimed at kiting speed fits]. If these are really faction uuber expensive mods... I can't think of anywhere I would use them.
Carmen Electra
Row Row Fight the Power
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#351 - 2014-10-27 22:12:02 UTC
Ack! +1 for those who are saying stigmatic and blighted are very un-EVE names.

Heck, "Deepsy" would be better.

Regardless of what you call them, I for one definitely will not be using these as they currently stand.
Kossaw
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#352 - 2014-10-27 23:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kossaw
Can we go back to "Blighted" please. I can't believe somebody actually came up with something worse. You went from WoW to Catholicism.

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#353 - 2014-10-28 00:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Might be an idea to pass the naming of new weapons and mods to another dev who has a sciences background, it seems we are getting WAY off the mark here......Shocked

May I suggest, parasitic, it is used scientifically as well as widely outside physics, one device or process taking resources from another.
Ie. Parasitic drag, parasitic drain etc.
Describes the device, and satisfies those who want a "game" feelWhat?

Please just use a word, any word, that isn't just taken at random........ God how we hate random.......

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#354 - 2014-10-28 01:22:59 UTC
stigmatic - anastigmatic
/ˌænəstɪɡˈmætɪk/
adjective
1. (of a lens) not having astigmatism; forming point images of a point object located off the axis of the lens; stigmatic.

I still don't get it. +1 for Parasitic.

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#355 - 2014-10-28 01:55:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
resistance feeded [weapon type]
intransigating [weapon type]

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Malou Hashur
Enterprise Holdings
#356 - 2014-10-28 07:33:57 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Does CCP have anyone who actually speaks English who can come up with a remotely decent name, rather than just jamming random words into Google Translate? This is worse than the first suggestion, get your **** together.



There's your answer:

Malou Hashur wrote:
CCP Paradox wrote:
Just to reassure you we're still here.

The naming convention is being looked at, when we have a good candidate we will update the thread with that info.


Its probably the same guy that came up with the idea of " Ample Light Missile Launcher"

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Zappity
Exit-Strategy
Unchained Alliance
#357 - 2014-10-28 08:11:02 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
stigmatic - anastigmatic
/ˌænəstɪɡˈmætɪk/
adjective
1. (of a lens) not having astigmatism; forming point images of a point object located off the axis of the lens; stigmatic.

I still don't get it. +1 for Parasitic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata

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Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#358 - 2014-10-28 08:38:57 UTC
News a 10 With your host Me

CCP after massive backlash on the naming of the new troll guns appears to have gone all in on the troll with the new even worse name,

People got there pitchforks back out again.

Also most useless mod in eve coming soon to a wreck near you.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#359 - 2014-10-28 08:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Zappity wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
stigmatic - anastigmatic
/ˌænəstɪɡˈmætɪk/
adjective
1. (of a lens) not having astigmatism; forming point images of a point object located off the axis of the lens; stigmatic.

I still don't get it. +1 for Parasitic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata



CCP please! Just get this right, there are only so many religions you can "make fun" of, some will be less tolerant......
But either way, you are not impressing people, English is a language with many depths of meaning, Ample was bad enough, you do know the normal day to day meaning and semantics of the word, and it is meant as a joke, isnt it?

Just in case you didn't
Ample is usually used in a tongue in cheek way, for example, an ample build, is used to describe someone who is as fat as a whale.
If you ask someone who has won an eating competition and has food spread all over and around him when asked if there was enough food might reply "ample"

But the main meaning refers to breast size, when referring to someone with breasts the size of watermelons,

Jokes are funny when seen the first time, they become weary with use.

Edit: but if the art department ARE planning to Give ships Breasts and bleeding wounds, carry on I suppose, there will be the teenage audience to consider...... Easily amused.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#360 - 2014-10-28 08:50:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Zappity wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata

I know what it means - I don't get how the name has any bearing in EVE... Did the stats get updated or are they still fairly abysmal?

epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Jokes are funny when seen the first time, they become weary with use.

The irony is I don't think it was intended to be funny... Still holding out for my ample, blighted stigmatic weapons...

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