Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Are you reading my previous posts. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN FIT YOUR BS TO MAKE THEM WARP QUICK. I get it.

The problem is the profund compromise to their ability to tank and put out DPS to enable this. To get them to warp at the speed they went for the last 10 fecking years requires too much to an already lacklustre ship type that has been ignored and left for dead with the buffs to t2 hulls.

I have to use an ascendancy clone, a rig and a low slot module to make them warp at 3.0 or so.

This is not acceptable, and has been one of the reason for the rarity in this ship type. Stop telling me to fit **** to make them warp faster, I am asking for a buff to the base AU speed for a reason.

This is not about adapt or HTFU this is about the near complete abscence of this storied ships from low sec. And the only routine use tends to involve a titan bridge or undocking from your station.

Posters keep vying for specific fittings and implants, and it's still taking from everywhere to this specific ship class that no other class suffers. It takes the most expensive set to even get close, still not accounting for the much slower align times Battleships also have. And this is ignoring the elephant in the room of these high grades not being just expensive but among THE MOST expensive in the game and out of the reach of many, still hurting this class as viable in low-sec.

There's still the mix of low-slots, or rigs, or other implants superfluous to the set. This directly stabs viable fittings to these already difficult to justify over the buffed smaller hulls. I don't know where the posters are getting the idea that the warp speed is fine b/c of the align time compared to capitals, and I never said it was the same, I said comparable.

Which it is, these ships still align very slowly, and get into warp slowly too, they are by far more comparable to the capitals than subcaps, in spite of them being SUBCAP and being a fraction the size of a dread or carrier.The chore of slugging around like capitals is insane for a subcapital warship.

Battleships are balanced, and only just, with all their fitting slots intact. Having to hack and slash and sledgehammer it to a viable roaming ship with these rigs and modules, again, ON TOP OF THE ASCENDENCY SET. Mid Grades as well as goodness forbid the billions of ISK for a High Grade set- leaves them in the situation Low-Sec finds itself in.

For all the arguing against a pass by CCP to Battleship warp-speed. no one can deny that these are underutilized and hurting, and their warp-speed is a huge factor to that.

Posters against CCP looking over and buffing (however slightly or heavily) can justify it however they wish. Numbers won't lie and they should be encouraging CSM and CCP to look over analytics and make the buff. I'm not even arguing for it to be base back to what it was at 3.0au/s.

Just something closer to make the Implant sacrifice of Slaves or Talismans or Genolutions OR WHATEVER in favor of Ascendencys worth the ISK and risk. Battleships were uncommon and situational before their warp nerf. Now they are rare and completely in the shadow of the smaller subcaps in Low-Sec, when with this much needed buff, they could find their place much better in the meta.

You don't need anything but the set to exceed 3.0. I will say it again, and continue to say it for as long as reading comprehension 1 takes you to train. A set of ascendancies will put a battleship above 3.0 . All you ever need to give up is the implants. Now, you want to put out a thread to buff battleship hulls in other ways, I'll happily respond to that on its merits.

James you're just being stubborn, and fight as hard as you want for the status quo to remain so, even the slightly above 3.0au/s the High Grades get you (AGAIN: Ignoring the price point of this set in particular), with the current state of the smaller subcaps, and the slower align and into warp speed of Battleships, the results to Low-Sec are tangible. No amount of you arguing for it to stay the same will change this. Low-Sec Battleships are, tangibly, demonstrably, rarer than they have ever been.

I will not assume what you spend your time doing in-game, maybe what you do is just forum-warrioring for all I know. Or maybe you are a pilot the same as I and other Low-Seccers ITT and just lucky with all these Battleships fine roaming around that you personally run into. But speaking as someone who does live in Low-Sec, and with the experience of roaming around in Battleships and varied fleets, is why I argue the points that I do.

And instead of shouting down any discussion, clinging to the thought that everything is okay, I am encouraging CCP and CSM to look over the analytical tools we know that they have, to make the informed balance pass to make this class of ship not left hurting and all but unviable in this area of space many choose to live in.

If you do agree that they aren't in a good place for PvP, but can't that warp-speed is the fundamental issue, than can we agree that this may be a direction to improving their usage at least. So far it has only hurt them.

So many sacrifices to the wallets, to fittings, and to implant choices; or targets get away, or you get caught easiest, or over time roams that would've taken an hour taking even more than two as the time per systems crossed compounds- A Battleship becomes a burden to your faster fleetmates without those sacrifices. And that's terrible for one of the most iconic class of ships, terrible for players who already struggle for time to play, and above all terrible for a homogenizing meta across Low-Sec that could be so much more.

I won't pretend to guess at what could make them better for Incursions, because I do use them only for PvP, and that's why the warp speeds affect me and my Alliance mates as hard as they do. And why I implore the CSM and CCP who may read this thread to look over whatever data they must, and talk to whoever they have to, to help Battleships in Low-Sec.

Fair points, please feel free to make a thread on it.

THIS thread is about an AU buff to BS and BC's

At the very very least BS should have 2.5 so they and BC's which are very simular in many ways can at move in mixed fleets with some ease.

However obviously I would like to see a great deal more.

They are not unviable though. You say they align too slow yet I am out running frigate fleets, you say its too expensive yet I spend less than a slave set that this guy seems unable to do without to get it to assault frigate speeds. Every time I point out a battleship that does well the only reply is that its an exception, so by now in theis thread half the battleships are "exceptional".

Simple fact here is the OP wants his battleship to act like a cruiser, the same as every other whine thread about solo/small gang battleships over the last 11 years.

So freighters got buffed because they can use mods to warp faster but battleships got nerfed because they can use rigs, mods and implants to move faster...

You are not going to get to warp as fast as ships two classes below you right out of the box, it breaks the balance btween the ship classes.

Agree with OP, bring back the variety of low sec PVP options by increasing the warp speed of battleships and battlecruisers.
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No matter how much protestors squawk anecdotally that it's viable, the statistics of Battleship usage are evidence to the contrary, for reasons already mentioned in this thread.

A base warp speed buff, that I'm not even vying to be returned all the way to pre-Rubicon, is what I want to encourage CCP and CSM to look over with their data. To bring these ships back into the meta, with the quality of life in terms of time spent roaming that comes with roaming with subcaps. They'd still keep their size weakness with their align times and overall agility on the battlefield.

They are so close to balanced with all their fitting slots intact. Not nerfed with hyperspatials usually in combination with the implant choices, to the point of making almost any HAC, T3, T1 cruiser, or even the T1 BCs, a justifiably preferable option (Especially with other implants available then not spent on warp-speed) in Low-Sec, perpetuating the homogenizing meta that could be so much more diverse and fun.