Player Features and Ideas Discussion

T2 1400s, and a prop mod?
Fit plz.

Duh. Yes.

That's the point I've been making all along is that it takes an unacceptable loss of either tank or gank to make these ships warp at a reasonable speed. No other sub-cap needs to do this to roam.

Did you miss a few pages?

just to re-iterate, not asking for mind bending speed. Just a lift of .5 or 1.0 AU.

Thanks

So, again, why do you feel the need to use slaves? If you aren't cutting your logi numbers to the bone and are truly in small-gang fights, slaves are almost useless if you have decent logi. If you are cutting your logi numbers to the bone, have bad logi or are purely relying on buffer tanked armor fits, this may be a much easier issue to address by simply applying the #1 bit of advice given in eve. HTFU.

Yes it is.

A hyperspatial rigs draw back is CPU, the mega has to give up a trimark and gimp it's fit in other ways to still be left behind.

That or fit an ascendancy clone and sacrifice even more with loss of hardwirings or slave clone.

No other class of ships in the game has to fit rigs to move around for roam fleets. This was a class specific nerf to BS and BCs, it effects very few ships in current meta with HACs being left completely unbothered either way with a speed buff on no need to every use AU modifying items. This change has had it's part to play in the now nearly vanishingly rare low sec BS gang.

My suggestion for a modest increase in AU is to enable these ships to fly in mixed gangs over reasonable roam distances and not get left behind.

Not asking for some sort of game breaking bullshit like a dred that moves around with cruiser gangs

I live in low sec and disagree. BS are just flat out rare these days.

Yes we do need to move at 3.0 AU or more, going 50 jumps on a roam the BS would be an hour behind at the end of a roam.

EHP 10% base loss when amplified with gang links and slave clones adds up. If I want to elevate the speed up to or around 3.0 AU then it's a rig and a low slot and I think a clone as well. C'mon.

Baltec1 you have this **** to hand, what is the minimum items needed to make a BS warp at 3.0? t's not just 1 hyperspatial rig.

It shouldn't have to lose so much to still struggle to keep up.

We liked to use mixed ship type gangs, they used to roam large areas of low sec. These days BS just sit on a titan.

cheers

Why do you need to make 50js to get action? I feel no sympathy if its blues in all directions, and only a little bit if it is people being too scared of your corp/alliance.

Clone alone makes 3.2 au/s for full HG, and even 3.0 is possible with medium ascendancies if you use the HG omega.
Prototype and t2 rig takes you to 2.9 au/s. experimental and t1 is 2.7, still far higher than the 2.5 requested, for minimal sacrifice.

No-one but the richest people go near high grades, hell even mid grades, in null.

Let's be frank about the situation in low-sec, a situation that even though Baltec doesn't experience firsthand every time he logs in, he's dead set on drowning out any comment on.

Battleships are simply not deployed on a regular basis in favor of cruiser sized ships, and even BCs. Even though they are somewhat balanced by the Ascendency set. And that is a significant sacrifice forgoing the much more useful pirate sets. This is done in favor of being able to roam at a reasonable subcapital speed with the rest of the fleets.

IT IS STILL NOT ENOUGH.

These ships are already on a knife edge of balance with their fitting specs, weapon specs, and slot layouts in terms of their ability to project and apply damage, while keeping a reasonable tank against common cruiser sized ships. Without going to a very specific and expensive ship (the Mach), without the hyperspatial rigs or modules, IN COMBINATION WITH THE ASCENDENCY SET you're still going so much slower than mainline ships.

Justify it however you want, "that pilots fail to adapt" (we do adapt as best we can, again, Ascendency set), that "they're bigger and should go slower" (a subcapital warping comparably to a dread that it is a fraction the size of, what?), or that "it'd make them too strong" (No, they're already balanced in their ability to tank and apply damage), but the way it is is the way it is.

Battleships are simply rare and underutilized now, and why shouldn't they be. With all the buffs smaller ships have received over the releases to their damage, agility, and warp speed, Battleships are left weak and unviable in almost every occasion a player wants to field one and be able to roam with the rest of their fleet.

And this deserves to be looked at by CCP. Battleships are subcapital ships with the warp speed weakness applied to them of capitals (near enough), and gained nothing in return for that price ever since they were balanced for the games pre-Rubicon 3.0au/s warp speed.

CCP and CSM have the analytics to show the gate jumps of Battleships in Low-Sec and they can look at this themselves, and not let the players who don't live in Low-Sec shout this down just because they're happy with the status quo.

Other than slaves, what pirate set is more useful to a DPS ship? I will of course, grant that talismans on a neut boat is hella powerful.



Ascendancy set by itself (for the expensive ones that you can use in lowsec) already makes a regular battleship faster in warp than a standard cruiser.

Unless they pony up the money to buy the specialized fittings needed to run the ships in a viable manner, yes.



A rebalance of battleships for this post-rubicon world makes sense, but they are already substantially faster in warp than capitals due to the much better acceleration to top speed, higher sustained speed and faster deceleration back to normal space, and so do not need as big a buff as many people say. They could use some updating, and some ships need a lot of love, but overall they are usable, if not always the best thing to bring (until you get spacerich)

So I have to fit a high grade set and a low slot mod to go at 3.0 or a T2 rig with CPU draw back and the low slot to STILL GET LEFT BEHIND. .

How the heck can anyone argue that it is OP to return these ships to 3.0 where they were sat for the last 10 fecking years.

OMG seriously do you even like batteships? Or do you just want them kept out of the meta except for titan bridged rail megas.

Return these Hulls to 3.0 now. If you want to argue against it say why, with rationale and evidence, tell me of the swarms of BS in the low sec area you live in so we can move there and brawl instead of having to deal with a bunch of risk adverse kiting cunts.

Let me know who actually LIKES to fly these ships around as they currently are witout some shortbus occupant along on the ride to keep them from falling asleep during the warp across system by screaming GGrgggfffeeek on comms.