Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No matter how much protestors squawk anecdotally that it's viable, the statistics of Battleship usage are evidence to the contrary, for reasons already mentioned in this thread.

If you are reading and understanding, you know I am referencing the analytics that only CSM and CCP have access to pertaining to Battleship usage in Low-Sec that I am encouraging them to look over for an informed balance pass, and not just what Battleship pilots like myself, or you, might suggest.

You have your anecdotes and ideas, and I have mine, only you want to shut down any discussion to having Devs revisit Battleship Warp speed, and I want them to revisit and not ignore this situation.

We know CCP tracks gate jumps, we know they track of which ships and in which space, and we know CSM has access to this info. Stats like this have been mentioned by CCP Rise, and CCP Leeloo has helped the CSM make better informed arguments by giving them access to this data.

This is what I want them to look at to make an informed balance pass because I hold that the Battleship base warp speed is too slow and discourages their use in Low-Sec for reasons already given in this thread. I mention these stats and analytics often because I don't want this situation ignored and drowned out by those who've already made their points.

You spam the thread not wanting the changes to be revisited, even though legitimate points have been argued. It would not invalidate any changes. They would still move much slower than pre-Rubicon and a change back to 3.0au/s is not wanted.

What is wanted and suggested is a more reasonable starting point of base warp speed for sub-capital roaming that can from then be augmented with implants or hyperspatials similarly to now. You have argued with your anecdotal experience in null that its fine, and I with mine in Low-Sec that the use of Battleships in favor of a meta for smaller subcaps is not.

And that a buff to the warp-speed would encourage these ships usage, and to have a more diverse and fun Low-Sec where players can be encouraged to use this class of ship more often without unreasonable sacrifices to their fittings and time spent in warp that compounds over the length of a roam.

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I've brought up battleship warp speed and how it effects the usage of these ships in low sec as well as it bring a topic brought forward several times during the round tables at Eve Vegas this last weekend. CCP Fozzie stated at the round tables that he wants battleship and battlecruiser warp speed to have a large variance from cruisers and frigates. However, that does not mean that looking at it, especially as Phoebe's changes hit the game, is out of the question.

I don't feel that it is where it needs to be for low sec. I also understand that one cannot only look at the usage of battleships in low sec. Still, the usage of battleships and their warp speed is something that I've discussed with CCP and will continue to be so. Upcoming changes only highlight that need.

Speed is a good way to differentiate ship classes, and the BS/BC speeds fit into the larger ship hierarchy quite well. Battleships definitely need as buff, but their speed reflects their size and tank and so shouldn't be changed.

No theyshould not get speed back. That would just remove the flavor and qualaize them to the other ships.

Battleships shoudl continue to take time to arrive. But they should PAY OFF Whenthey arrive.

When we are in a small gang (for us small menas 2-4 people) and durign a fight a battleship appear.. t1, not pirate, ) except the armageddon, there is a lot of noise in TS.. why? People screaming to TACKLE the FREE KILL! VBBEcause that is what a battleships represents when it arrives, a free kill.


If we have 4 Cruiser sized hull and enemy arrivbes in 2 battleships and 2 cruisers we simply consider that we are a t2:1 advantage.. because the battleships are Almsot irrlevant).

Battleships should have superior staying power to ANY cruiser sized hull. The battleships capability of applying damage is so REDUCED that their effective DPS on most close range fights (that is what most small fights become) is not even half of a cruiser sized hull.



Workign on battleships guns you can start to sovle that. MAke tier 1 BS guns reach same range as current tier 3, but give them a resolution of 300. MAke current Tier 2 guns into EXACLTY what the tier 3 are now. MAke the tier 3 guns have a resolution of 800, but 25% more dps (so they are VER powerful against capitals, marauders, and structures, but bad agasint support).


That and all battleships need some bit more ehp, and buff a tad the BATTLESHIP sized repairers.


Ooo and I just got thisidea.. why not give it a 4th rig slot? That would represent well their DEDICATED and focused large ships thing, and for the ones desperate for warp speed, would help.

Thanks for the input.

I agree that as a class they need another look. A good long look, but even if they are buffed in some other way, if they cannot reasonably keep up with other ship types without unacceptable nerf to trimarks or low slots that no other ship type in the game has to make they will remain grossly underused.

Except for being bridged around the place Armor BS gangs are an unusual sight in space. they are no longer used for smacking stuff up in low sec - everyone uses Isthars etc etc.

Raise the speed to 2.5 AT LEAST and then address the other failings.

The mega and geddon plus the domi and other ships are iconic images in eve, shame that in low sec it's just images in hangers.

cheers