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I'd recommend picking your fight over either the dueling changes or the wardec mechanic. Making a post trying to cover both is going to dilute the usefulness of any discussion here.

For my part, I would argue that the 50m wardec is not bad, at least not for the reasons listed. Nobody is making highsec pvpers join a blobby alliance to go to war. If they don't like something, they don't have to do it. As for people on the receiving end of the dec, I counter with a question: are losses under the current system greater than under the older system, when there were more frequent, smaller wardecs?

Fox: I concede your point. I probably did dilute my argument by making both at the same time.

However, I think they're valid.

My point is about the quality of the content. I consider the new structure a destruction of the best PVP experience I've seen in any game.

Dwissi: I'm not talking about a desire to flip miners, though I like doing that. Most of the can flipping I've done is on stations with other people looking for a fight. The fact that new mining ships have huge hulls and more tank than a battlecruiser is another topic completely.

Can flipping was a great informal way for people to mess with each other and manage agro. Most of the friends I have in this game I met can flipping.




For both instances in which I ask for change, the new rules have created an inversion.

Ganking is now safer and more predictable than any other casual pvp option, which doesn't really make sense. Can flipping used to be the casual pvp option of choice. It had clear mechanics and escalation opportunities.

I find the duel option absolutely painful and without any reasonable option for escalation.


Concerning war declarations, I think we've made it too hard for a small corp to declare war, and desperate pvp'ers have formed large albatross alliances (who are bored senseless) and are war deccing the same small industrial corps. Again, I see this as an inversion of the intended consequence.



Even if you don't want the old mechanics for the whole game, perhaps you can do them somewhere. I think the game is poorer for their loss.

Just tossing this out there, what if the fee was based on the total number of people involved in the war?

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That is actually the point. War should cost the agressor substantially to initiate.

You only say it's too costly if you can't imagine all the paper-pushing that needs to be done to make that war legal :)

Edit: Or you're one of the people who want to have the interaction of null-sec/w-space (no engagement rules) applied to high-sec indefinetly through the war mechanic. Which can only be sustained if the War costs are lowered or nullified.

Eve is a competitive sandbox game, not a mining simulator or space-themed version of FarmVille. Your industrial operation affects the rest of us, so why should you be isolated from the actions of your competitors?

If you don't want to compete with the other corporations then just stay in an NPC corp and you are immune to wardecs. It's not ideal, and CCP is working on a social system for you, but for now make a chat channel for the people you want to mine, mission or build stuff with and you are 100% immune from wardecs.
You thought wrong. Highsec is not, nor ever has been a risk-free place to do industry. Highsec has some unique mechanisms to control the types of engagements, but it has always been intended as a place where players and corporations can compete with each other, both directly through ship PvP, and indirectly through the multitude of competitive actions that all players engage in everyday.

There is much "wrong" with a highsec theme park. It would break a great many things and even further draw players away from the other spaces. Highsec will always be a place of sucide ganks and wardecs - these are things that have been put into highsec on purpose by CCP for good reason. Sure, wardecs have some problems and could be made better but they have always been a part of the design of highsec.

This is a PvP game. You can do only industry or PvE and never ship combat but you better make arrangements for your own defense with PvPers. You cannot extract the benefits of living in a competitive world while expecting to be immune from the touch of others you are competing with.

You can still can flip to start a fight. What's the problem?

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Calm down. The Star Citizen is coming in 2016. There you can guard yourself with transportship not yust watch your daying ship. And you can do other thing not yust "pvp". I think the way where the Eve is goin now is going to the end of the game. The updats are fun but if you want to live in highsec you will need for biger and beter skilled corp to use this thing them in nullsec. I think it is funy. Because if you have not skills and you are not in big corp yu will yust watch your butiful ships in the station. I think the noob farming is not so interesting way to make pvp. But now this is the most profitable thing what you can do. Yust stand in front of jita with your frands in owerkilled ship (in dockrange of corse) and wait for reds 0-24 it may wery fun. But i'm on the bad side of this genital. We are in war for 3,5month with one weak break. The First was not problem. But the secund it was wery fun because one 3,5years old caracter farmd us yust because it is fun. And now nobady hel us wit the 3. war because "they are frends". In one sandbox game you can do what you want and yes if you want it is mining simulator or the space wersion of the FarmVille because it is a sand box game. But it is not a sandbox game it is one PvP game where you can do same industrial thinds if your envairoment want to you do thet. Because if you do industry you are not so stong and your cargo is may expensive so you got always gank and wars yust because it is a sandbox game where you can rotate your ship on the station. It is the most usefull option for the players who want to make isk with industry in HS. I think if it is not change in the close future the game will be die when the competition will avalivable. But this game is to good to be yust a memory i hope samething will hapend with this unbalanced system because 50m is wery cheap for noobfarming. I want to pay 50m to the concord to decline the war ageinst us. I think its may fair because you can make decision if you want fight you will not pay if you want you will pay for the concord (not for the corp who wared you).

I fail to see the reason why you would want to limit the number of active wars. CCP has introduced many mechanics to drive conflict, and one of the biggest gripes people have about the game is political stagnation - i.e. people not fighting each other like they are supposed to. Wars are not a problem to be fixed - they are a mechanic for conflict generation and as such should be nurtured, developed, and expanded.

If you personally, for some strange reason, actually dislike wardecs, then you are in luck because CCP has already thoughtfully provided you with a whole list of options for avoiding, evading, nullifying and rendering irrelevant any wars that might be declared against you.

Ya I agree let's move the frivolous newb harassing to low sec not high sec. If a large group of dedicated pvpers want to fight go to low sec or null or WH space. All you've accomplished is makin sure CCP doesn't have the funds or fan base in order to grow the game bigger better faster. How many tens of thousands of players have been driven out of EVE so a few HardCore players had something to laugh about or time to kill. Find your Ego feeds elsewhere not at Yours and everyone else's expense. Could CCP make more opportunities for fights with new game mechanics or more reasons to venture into low sec... For sure! So maybe people should be lobbying for better low sec content instead of making War Decs(Anti-recruiting) easier.