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Garmur's should not exist.
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Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#21 - 2014-10-21 17:54:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitch Kaneland
I killed a garm with my 720 muninn when he was orbiting me at 25km. Titanium sabot + OH mwd ftw. Oh, and t2 acolytes. If youre ina bigger ship and tackled by a solo garm/crow, deploy mobile micro jump drive thing. Tank em for a minute while it deploys, and jump away.

knowing your options and thinking outside the box gets you out of these situations. Expect the worst in every fight and have your backups ready.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#22 - 2014-10-21 20:18:27 UTC
Considering 98% of Garmur pilots are pants on head r3tarded and don't fit scrams, all you need is a ship faster than them to catch and kill them. If I can tackle a linked Garmur in a Moa, you can do it in a frigate.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#23 - 2014-10-21 22:27:13 UTC
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
I killed a garm with my 720 muninn when he was orbiting me at 25km. Titanium sabot + OH mwd ftw. Oh, and t2 acolytes. If youre ina bigger ship and tackled by a solo garm/crow, deploy mobile micro jump drive thing. Tank em for a minute while it deploys, and jump away.

knowing your options and thinking outside the box gets you out of these situations. Expect the worst in every fight and have your backups ready.



There's a mobile mjd deployable?

... so many possibilites...
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#24 - 2014-10-22 02:47:42 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Considering 98% of Garmur pilots are pants on head r3tarded and don't fit scrams, all you need is a ship faster than them to catch and kill them. If I can tackle a linked Garmur in a Moa, you can do it in a frigate.

i fought one off in an ishkur(didnt kill itOops ), they aint all that.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#25 - 2014-10-22 04:15:10 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
I killed a garm with my 720 muninn when he was orbiting me at 25km. Titanium sabot + OH mwd ftw. Oh, and t2 acolytes. If youre ina bigger ship and tackled by a solo garm/crow, deploy mobile micro jump drive thing. Tank em for a minute while it deploys, and jump away.

knowing your options and thinking outside the box gets you out of these situations. Expect the worst in every fight and have your backups ready.



There's a mobile mjd deployable?

... so many possibilites...


Yeap, you can also bring a mobile depot + 1 stab and refit the stab and just peace out. The garmur doesn't have enough dps to kill the mobile depot before it onlines.
Sigras
Conglomo
#26 - 2014-10-22 09:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigras
Phaade wrote:
This ship is horrible for PvP in Eve.

I can understand a battleship pointing me at 70km (sort of).

I can understand a cruiser pointing me at 70km (......sort of).

I cannot fathom why a frigate should be able to point 70km, move at 8km/s, and apply 150 dps through that range.

This ship (combined with links) is about as close to pay to win as you can get. It never should have been introduced to the game. Since it is, what should be done about it? I say gut the point range, so that the larger ships point farther than the smaller ones.

With this ship, there is only one reason to bring an interceptor: cost. On that note, funny how they took a wrecking ball to the LML Crow and Malediction for doing exactly what the Garmur does, about three times worse.

But hey, what do I know about balance.

apparently nothing because you're complaining about fighting a 2v1 and losing.

The problem is as it always has been, with off grid links.

You're also exaggerating the point as the number you quote is only possible if they have the best warp disruptor in the game fit to their ship with a perfect claymore/sleipnir/eos/astarte in local with the implant giving them gang boosts, and are using overheat.
Sigras
Conglomo
#27 - 2014-10-22 09:29:18 UTC
Odithia wrote:
Agree too, make the range bonus scale with the ship size, bs get 70km, cruiser 55ish, frig 35ish.

you realize an unbonused ship given his conditions is capable of warp disrupting at 47.4 right?
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-10-22 10:21:05 UTC
Well if you're abusing links, try abusing a rapier/huginn/hyena.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-10-22 11:02:23 UTC
slightly related: is there a way of getting 150 cap stable tank on a viable frigate fit?

I should buy an Ishtar.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-10-22 17:05:42 UTC
Christopher Mabata wrote:
Garmurs are OP as fuk
I see those when im on my FW alt and I just hightail it, not even going to mess with that
However i must admit im a huge fan of the Orthrus, being able to put out 700+ DPS with RLM's at 50kms while going 3k with a decent shield tank is very very nice.


I too think it's funny how the op is crying about the garmur, when the orthrus can put out 700 dps at 67km while doing 5km/s with a buffer shield tank, and absolutely **** any frigate that gets close and doesn't even want to engage. Most pirate ships are a bit ridiculous though, with top end links and some implants.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#31 - 2014-10-22 18:32:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Arronicus wrote:
Christopher Mabata wrote:
Garmurs are OP as fuk
I see those when im on my FW alt and I just hightail it, not even going to mess with that
However i must admit im a huge fan of the Orthrus, being able to put out 700+ DPS with RLM's at 50kms while going 3k with a decent shield tank is very very nice.


I too think it's funny how the op is crying about the garmur, when the orthrus can put out 700 dps at 67km while doing 5km/s with a buffer shield tank, and absolutely **** any frigate that gets close and doesn't even want to engage. Most pirate ships are a bit ridiculous though, with top end links and some implants.


Make nice killmails though.

Hmm, should i get an orthrus phaade?

The boosted garmur is deffo powerful, fact is that its a 3.5bn isk pod in a 350m isk hull with 2,200hp alongside a booster often in a safe worth another bil inc. pod. One mistake and it would die to a derpton.

When i see things like this in space i see it as an opportunity for kills. I guess i am eve privileged since i put the work and effort in to be in the best possible position to take fights regardless of the odds. I was doing this before the garmur, just now i can kill a few things easier and lose less drones. Though an ASB or AAR usually makes it tough going since my dps isnt close to what you suggest it is.

As for the 'pay to win' comment, i havent spent a penny on eve in more than 3 years. Everything i have is available to everyone else with the only barrier for entry being SP, which last i checked was a fundamental eve mechanic and working as intended.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-10-22 23:25:11 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Christopher Mabata wrote:
Garmurs are OP as fuk
I see those when im on my FW alt and I just hightail it, not even going to mess with that
However i must admit im a huge fan of the Orthrus, being able to put out 700+ DPS with RLM's at 50kms while going 3k with a decent shield tank is very very nice.


I too think it's funny how the op is crying about the garmur, when the orthrus can put out 700 dps at 67km while doing 5km/s with a buffer shield tank, and absolutely **** any frigate that gets close and doesn't even want to engage. Most pirate ships are a bit ridiculous though, with top end links and some implants.


Make nice killmails though.

Hmm, should i get an orthrus phaade?

The boosted garmur is deffo powerful, fact is that its a 3.5bn isk pod in a 350m isk hull with 2,200hp alongside a booster often in a safe worth another bil inc. pod. One mistake and it would die to a derpton.

When i see things like this in space i see it as an opportunity for kills. I guess i am eve privileged since i put the work and effort in to be in the best possible position to take fights regardless of the odds. I was doing this before the garmur, just now i can kill a few things easier and lose less drones. Though an ASB or AAR usually makes it tough going since my dps isnt close to what you suggest it is.

As for the 'pay to win' comment, i havent spent a penny on eve in more than 3 years. Everything i have is available to everyone else with the only barrier for entry being SP, which last i checked was a fundamental eve mechanic and working as intended.



What you say is true, a crapload of isk worth of pod, bling fit garmur, booster. It should be powerful and so on.

OP's point is, i think, the margin of error a garmur offers (especially with a defensive scram fitted) is so broad you need a massive **** up of epic proportions to be blapped, while the same investment on other ships (even pirate frigs eh) doesn't remotely net you the safety of engagement a garmur does. Let's face it, sitting / orbiting at 40-50 KMs going so fast nothing can track you and no missile can reach you while still keeping point isn't exactly the same as engaging in brawl range or even "conventional" kite range
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#33 - 2014-10-23 00:54:35 UTC
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
What you say is true, a crapload of isk worth of pod, bling fit garmur, booster. It should be powerful and so on.

OP's point is, i think, the margin of error a garmur offers (especially with a defensive scram fitted) is so broad you need a massive **** up of epic proportions to be blapped, while the same investment on other ships (even pirate frigs eh) doesn't remotely net you the safety of engagement a garmur does. Let's face it, sitting / orbiting at 40-50 KMs going so fast nothing can track you and no missile can reach you while still keeping point isn't exactly the same as engaging in brawl range or even "conventional" kite range


Well, obviously you dont fly boosted snaked garmur much, since there are a lot of things that can hit you if people deliberately want to. As for orbiting, i nearly always manually pilot since im usually fighting 5-30 people and the secondary function of the orbit button is 'fly directly at the nearest hostile that you are not orbiting'.

I pretty much got similar results with a maulus using the same isk investment and my killboard is there to prove it. Only difference is i died a bit more as i was less cautious.
Naoru Kozan
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-10-23 05:55:32 UTC
Phaade wrote:
This ship is horrible for PvP in Eve.

I can understand a battleship pointing me at 70km (sort of).

I can understand a cruiser pointing me at 70km (......sort of).

I cannot fathom why a frigate should be able to point 70km, move at 8km/s, and apply 150 dps through that range.

This ship (combined with links) is about as close to pay to win as you can get. It never should have been introduced to the game. Since it is, what should be done about it? I say gut the point range, so that the larger ships point farther than the smaller ones.

With this ship, there is only one reason to bring an interceptor: cost. On that note, funny how they took a wrecking ball to the LML Crow and Malediction for doing exactly what the Garmur does, about three times worse.

But hey, what do I know about balance.


I guess the OP flies AB only frigates and complains about dieing to kiters?

Try fitting a MWD, a ship moving at 8000 m/s is pretty easy to break point on. Or just bring a buddy in a Maulus. Problem solved!

Or get your own links, get a buddy in a griffin and large smart bomb Maller. Catch Garmur, jam it, get the Maller on top of it and collect HG Snake pod KM. For bonus points probe his booster alt and kill that as well.

Honestly it's amazing what you can achieve in Eve if you apply some creative thinking :)
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