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whats the appeal of ganking miners?
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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#101 - 2014-10-21 12:50:48 UTC
Krysti wrote:
Well I got ganked yesterday and lost 2B in implants etc... I was afk for ten minutes.

It's very easy to say carebear cry baby, the game is hard, and it’s the economy...

How about saying let’s make a meaningful game?

The point for me is that these low life morons lose nothing, they use cheap ships with disposable alts, they have no challenge and yet, can cost someone billions and more important to me cost me time to set up again in the game.

All I can do in return is make the killright public.

I can tell you 100 percent it is far safer to play the game generally now in null, something that I ironically found very boring.

So try hi-sec again, FW is great, log into an old alt do some mining and bang.

So you now have a game full of idiots killing soft targets in hi-sec and cosy null bears making money in null.

Somewhere there is a design flaw, yeah and lock that other thread the guy was "ranting" about this.



The flaw here is in your personality not in the game. You went afk IN SPACE with that kind of expensive implanted clone instead of docking, or using a mobile depot to fit a cloak and sit in a safe spot, or if you "live" there, dropping a small pos on a useless moon for safety.

And you did this in EVE ONLINE? WTF were you thinking (rhetorical question, we know you weren't thinking). What you did was like smearing steaks all over your body then going to sleep in a Lion's Den at the zoo then being surprised that the Lion's turn you into a midnight snack (and later, poo)

And lol at the null sec is safer. That old lie just won't die it seems.
Krysti
Doomheim
#102 - 2014-10-21 12:53:47 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Krysti wrote:
I was afk for ten minutes.
Would you go AFK while playing any other PvP game?


I do not afk in this game, but that's not really the issue. I would have saved my pod yes, but the game is a total joke now.

Look I'm not mining again ever so I will just count it is a blessing, but plenty of people enjoy mining and it's just sad that there is no consequence to ganking very soft targets.
Krysti
Doomheim
#103 - 2014-10-21 12:57:04 UTC
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The flaw here is in your personality not in the game. You went afk IN SPACE with that kind of expensive implanted clone instead of docking, or using a mobile depot to fit a cloak and sit in a safe spot, or if you "live" there, dropping a small pos on a useless moon for safety.

And you did this in EVE ONLINE? WTF were you thinking (rhetorical question, we know you weren't thinking). What you did was like smearing steaks all over your body then going to sleep in a Lion's Den at the zoo then being surprised that the Lion's turn you into a midnight snack (and later, poo)

And lol at the null sec is safer. That old lie just won't die it seems.


Right, so mining in hi-sec is the lions den in the zoo?

I don't think you have a clue about this game.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#104 - 2014-10-21 13:16:01 UTC
Idk about anyone else, but if I went afk in a Crucible(PvP) match in Destiny, I would expect to come back to a corpse.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#105 - 2014-10-21 13:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Krysti wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Krysti wrote:
I was afk for ten minutes.
Would you go AFK while playing any other PvP game?


I do not afk in this game, but that's not really the issue. I would have saved my pod yes, but the game is a total joke now.
Really?
Krysti wrote:
Well I got ganked yesterday and lost 2B in implants etc... I was afk for ten minutes.
So which one of the above statements is true? Or are you just telling porkies all round?

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Look I'm not mining again ever so I will just count it is a blessing, but plenty of people enjoy mining and it's just sad that there is no consequence to ganking very soft targets.
The whole principle of Eve is that it's up to you to provide consequence, not CCP.

Please insert another coin to continue.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#106 - 2014-10-21 13:35:09 UTC
Krysti wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Krysti wrote:
I was afk for ten minutes.
Would you go AFK while playing any other PvP game?


I do not afk in this game

what?

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Solecist Project
#107 - 2014-10-21 13:36:55 UTC
Whenever I read "enjoy mining" I have to wonder what exactly is enjoyable about it.

The only thought I can come up with, is "doing something else while mining",
which means that mining isn't enjoyable at all.

WOOOHOOOO I'M SOOO STARING AT THAT ROCK BABY! LOOK AT MA DRONES!
MA DRONES BABY! THEY MOVE BACK AND FORTH! BACK AND FORTH!!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Chemma Chi
Quantum Fusion
#108 - 2014-10-21 13:39:25 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Whenever I read "enjoy mining" I have to wonder what exactly is enjoyable about it.

The only thought I can come up with, is "doing something else while mining",
which means that mining isn't enjoyable at all.

WOOOHOOOO I'M SOOO STARING AT THAT ROCK BABY! LOOK AT MA DRONES!
MA DRONES BABY! THEY MOVE BACK AND FORTH! BACK AND FORTH!!


Sounds like awesome discoparty time!
Solecist Project
#109 - 2014-10-21 13:40:25 UTC
BACK AND FORTH!! YEAH BABY!! FILL MY HOLE*!! FILL IT BABY!!
BRING THAT PREIOUS ORE RIGHT TO ME!! I'M SO HORNY FOR IT BABY!!
BRING IT TO ME!!!! OH YES!!! YES!!! FILL ME!! FILL ME SO HARD!!


(intentional typo)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#110 - 2014-10-21 13:41:47 UTC
Krysti wrote:
Quote:


The flaw here is in your personality not in the game. You went afk IN SPACE with that kind of expensive implanted clone instead of docking, or using a mobile depot to fit a cloak and sit in a safe spot, or if you "live" there, dropping a small pos on a useless moon for safety.

And you did this in EVE ONLINE? WTF were you thinking (rhetorical question, we know you weren't thinking). What you did was like smearing steaks all over your body then going to sleep in a Lion's Den at the zoo then being surprised that the Lion's turn you into a midnight snack (and later, poo)

And lol at the null sec is safer. That old lie just won't die it seems.


Right, so mining in hi-sec is the lions den in the zoo?

I don't think you have a clue about this game.


I'm not the one who lost 2 bil worth of implants, now am I? I've played for 7+ years (carebearin my ass off) and have not been successfully ganked.

Some knowledge of the game you displayed their mate.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#111 - 2014-10-21 13:41:56 UTC
Chemma Chi wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Whenever I read "enjoy mining" I have to wonder what exactly is enjoyable about it.

The only thought I can come up with, is "doing something else while mining",
which means that mining isn't enjoyable at all.

WOOOHOOOO I'M SOOO STARING AT THAT ROCK BABY! LOOK AT MA DRONES!
MA DRONES BABY! THEY MOVE BACK AND FORTH! BACK AND FORTH!!


Sounds like awesome discoparty time!
Relevant

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Not Purple Shoot It.
#112 - 2014-10-21 13:43:26 UTC
Q: What's the appeal of ganking miners?

A: They make posts like this.

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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#113 - 2014-10-21 13:54:34 UTC
Because in life, as in Eve, some people are just dicks. Reasons quickly become meaningless.

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

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Chemma Chi
Quantum Fusion
#114 - 2014-10-21 14:07:18 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Chemma Chi wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Whenever I read "enjoy mining" I have to wonder what exactly is enjoyable about it.

The only thought I can come up with, is "doing something else while mining",
which means that mining isn't enjoyable at all.

WOOOHOOOO I'M SOOO STARING AT THAT ROCK BABY! LOOK AT MA DRONES!
MA DRONES BABY! THEY MOVE BACK AND FORTH! BACK AND FORTH!!


Sounds like awesome discoparty time!
Relevant


Sorry, just have to answer with this.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#115 - 2014-10-21 14:15:17 UTC
Krysti wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Krysti wrote:
I was afk for ten minutes.
Would you go AFK while playing any other PvP game?


I do not afk in this game, but that's not really the issue. I would have saved my pod yes, but the game is a total joke now.

Look I'm not mining again ever so I will just count it is a blessing, but plenty of people enjoy mining and it's just sad that there is no consequence to ganking very soft targets.



I am confused, would you propose increased penalties on the ganking of soft targets in highsec or do you want more severe consequences for all ganking?

But really there are already significant consequences for the ganker. Eve is a PvP game. Why do you expect CCP to provide you with complete protection when there are already many tools available to you to avoid destruction at the hands of your opponents? These include but are not limited to: tanking your ship, having friends to guard you, not being AFK so you can flee, or mining in space that you and your friends have made secure like null.

If you do not want to take responsibility for the safety of your digital space assets, why are you playing a competitive PvP game like this one? And to bring it back to the title of this thread, what is the appeal of pressing F1 to activate your mining lasers in total, absolute safety? If there is anything at all satisfying about mining, I would think it would be that you managed to gather those rocks in the face of at least the theoretical risk of someone trying to stop you.

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Solecist Project
#116 - 2014-10-21 14:16:26 UTC
Chemma... are you flirting with others??

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Anslo
Scope Works
#117 - 2014-10-21 14:39:21 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Anslo wrote:
They're bad at actual pvp.


Let me guess they should go to nullsec and do some "real PVP"


I love it when that's said in local...

Someone needs to come up with a "Top 10 things people say to gankers" list

LMAO


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Moira.
#118 - 2014-10-21 14:45:45 UTC
Some people prefer the tears of the weak over the tears of the strong.

I made a mining alt not too long ago to try it out as I wanted to shift to more of a quiet life in EVE. I got ganked once while on a different screen, went and grabbed a max tanked procurer (I always keep a few around) and scooped his and my loot before he could get to it.

I then watchlisted the ganker and set him -10. A couple of days later sure enough he tried to gank me again. He was a bit smarter this time and brought a MTU. Unfortunately for him I was paying attention and he died before me. He hasn't bugged me since.

In my experience gankers are either looking to pad their killboard, interdict specific entities, make a profit, or harvest tears. If you don't let them constantly blow up your ships they will find someone else to kill. There are plenty of targets in highsec after all.

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Krysti
Doomheim
#119 - 2014-10-21 14:54:48 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:


I am confused, would you propose increased penalties on the ganking of soft targets in highsec or do you want more severe consequences for all ganking?

But really there are already significant consequences for the ganker. Eve is a PvP game. Why do you expect CCP to provide you with complete protection when there are already many tools available to you to avoid destruction at the hands of your opponents? These include but are not limited to: tanking your ship, having friends to guard you, not being AFK so you can flee, or mining in space that you and your friends have made secure like null.

If you do not want to take responsibility for the safety of your digital space assets, why are you playing a competitive PvP game like this one? And to bring it back to the title of this thread, what is the appeal of pressing F1 to activate your mining lasers in total, absolute safety? If there is anything at all satisfying about mining, I would think it would be that you managed to gather those rocks in the face of at least the theoretical risk of someone trying to stop you.


What consequences are there for a month old alt doing this ganking?

Yes i can mine safely in null - great game design right there.

I'm now taking more risk in hi-sec, and yes i know what to do to protect myself but seriously? why should i have to for much less rewards?

Garbage game design, all the effort from me to mine safely for peanuts but no effort to kill me.

If this is going on, then how about insurance for pods? and equal rewards for hi-sec miners?

where will the madness end!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#120 - 2014-10-21 15:02:20 UTC
Krysti wrote:

What consequences are there for a month old alt doing this ganking?


More than you might imagine. For instance, you cannot biomass a neg sec status alt without risking a permaban. So, once you make one, you're stuck with it.


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Yes i can mine safely in null - great game design right there.

I'm now taking more risk in hi-sec, and yes i know what to do to protect myself but seriously? why should i have to for much less rewards?


You may have heard this somewhere before, but EVE is a PvP game. Yes, you should always be defending yourself.

And as for Null vs High, that's easy. Nullsec is only safer because of player actions, and highsec is only dangerous in any way because of player actions.

There is no disputing which one has more inherent safety.


Quote:

Garbage game design, all the effort from me to mine safely for peanuts but no effort to kill me.


That's what you get when you choose to be a prey animal. Nevermind that when you start talking about all the "effort" that mining entails, you've gone off track pretty badly. Mining is almost zero effort, that's why people do it despite it being a fairly inferior income source.


Quote:

If this is going on, then how about insurance for pods? and equal rewards for hi-sec miners?


Heck, insurance for ships needs to go away, and as for "rewards", you get a reward equivalent to your effort. And since your effort is just barely above zero, that's what your reward is and will always be.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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