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whats the appeal of ganking miners?

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#81 - 2014-10-20 14:06:44 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I don't get the appeal of it. The miners aren't bothering anyone....why blow them up? At the end of the day it's just a stupid and immature way to get some giggles.....time to move on folks.
Just as playing any game by it's rules, is stupid and immature? You may be on to something.

Hmmm, interesting stuff.


Huh? The rules? I mean you are allowed to sit in station spinning your ship for hours on end....does that make that a smart thing to do? Ditto for running L1 missions all day. That you have a right to do something does not make it the right thing to do.
Well I guess you should tell people that spending hours spinning ships is pointless, if you feel strongly about it.

But I see your point. I should avoid buying certain plots when playing Monopoly, because someone may land on them later and get upset.
I should avoid taking pieces in Chess, because of much the same.
Maybe I should slow the rate of my Hungry Hippo eating, because I may take more balls than you.
Yes, playing a game by it's rules is over rated and even though I could, I shouldn't.

It's a very interesting thought process and I am sure games night with you, would be a rather thrilling experience.

Thanks for the heads up. Big smile

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2014-10-20 14:43:13 UTC
1upnate wrote:
like pvp is fun yeah... but isn't it only fun when its a challenge? kinda figure its like cheating in GTA... cool for like 20 minutes then it just becomes insanely boring.

anyone know the appeal of ganking miners?

just curious

It's like hunting, scouting for game and observing and assessing them without alarming them and getting them b4 they log off/go mission/whatever.

Ganking is not super hard, but it's not super easy either, it does require effort and a certain ammount of skill. And that's part of the thrill, is your effort going to pay off in the form of a nice kill mail or not?

There is always the off chance that you are flying into a trap. Or if the miners have "white knights" in the belt with them you have to judge wether they will be able to stop you from performing the gank or if you can pull it off even in their presence. Ganks happen fast so if you get the idea the white knights aren't paying attention you can go for it and sometimes they are just woefully underequiped to stop ganks. Most fun is when you gank the white knights instead of the miners. :P

I'm not a fanatic ganker but I've ganked my fair share, it still get's my heart rate up whenever I hit the warp button and land on top of the target.

Does it get boring? Yes, it can get very boring, like pretty much everything else in EVE, still beats the crap out of mining though, now THAT get's boring real fast (I should know, I started my EVE career as a miner).
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#83 - 2014-10-20 17:08:10 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I don't get the appeal of it. The miners aren't bothering anyone....why blow them up? At the end of the day it's just a stupid and immature way to get some giggles.....time to move on folks.
Just as playing any game by it's rules, is stupid and immature? You may be on to something.

Hmmm, interesting stuff.


Huh? The rules? I mean you are allowed to sit in station spinning your ship for hours on end....does that make that a smart thing to do? Ditto for running L1 missions all day. That you have a right to do something does not make it the right thing to do.
Well I guess you should tell people that spending hours spinning ships is pointless, if you feel strongly about it.

But I see your point. I should avoid buying certain plots when playing Monopoly, because someone may land on them later and get upset.
I should avoid taking pieces in Chess, because of much the same.
Maybe I should slow the rate of my Hungry Hippo eating, because I may take more balls than you.
Yes, playing a game by it's rules is over rated and even though I could, I shouldn't.

It's a very interesting thought process and I am sure games night with you, would be a rather thrilling experience.

Thanks for the heads up. Big smile



+1

I said the same thing to the same guy lol. He talked about "everyone having fun" or some such and I said "wow, you must be fun at a soccer game when you kick the ball into your own goal so that everyone can have fun" lol.

The truth is that some people can't deal with competative gaming yet they choose to play in competative games. The gankers are just having a grand ole time reminding them of their mistake.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#84 - 2014-10-20 17:15:25 UTC
Dirk Decibel wrote:
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It's like hunting


End of thread right here, Dirk wins lol.

I don'thave much experience with hunting in real life, I have gone duck hunting twice and a work buddy took me bow hunting once (didn't get anything that time) so that's 3 times in my 40 years. What's incredible is that the same attitude you get from the anti ganking folks in gam is the same you get in real life from the vegan-peta-meat is murder' tree hugger types.

I evenonce heard a lady say that hunters were cowards "because bambi can't shoot back". Irecently realized that if she had played EVE she would have been saying "go to low sec if you want to pvp" LOL.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#85 - 2014-10-20 17:51:29 UTC
They have nothing better to do other then picking on the lowest income wage in the game.
being a miner isn't about playing the game single player because that miner could be supplying their corp with goods.
and the organized groups like code are equal to that of Isis trying to impose their will on the helpless.
tanking your barge won't help because I have seen gankers use battle cruisers to prove a point.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Nevil Oscillator
#86 - 2014-10-20 17:55:22 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:
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It's like hunting


End of thread right here, Dirk wins lol.


Suicide hunting, remind me to pass on that offer.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#87 - 2014-10-20 18:00:09 UTC
Nevil Oscillator wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:
]
It's like hunting


End of thread right here, Dirk wins lol.


Suicide hunting, remind me to pass on that offer.


I take it you've never fished with dynamite?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#88 - 2014-10-20 18:03:40 UTC
Agondray wrote:

and the organized groups like code are equal to that of Isis trying to impose their will on the helpless.


You've heard it here folks.

Banding together because being organized is the only way to overcome the repeated and unnecessary nerfs to your playstyle is directly equivalent to a violent, destructive terrorist group known for their penchant for sex slavery.

So, are you naturally insane, or did too much carebearing make you this way?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2014-10-20 18:07:29 UTC
Agondray wrote:
They have nothing better to do other then picking on the lowest income wage in the game.
being a miner isn't about playing the game single player because that miner could be supplying their corp with goods.
and the organized groups like code are equal to that of Isis trying to impose their will on the helpless.
tanking your barge won't help because I have seen gankers use battle cruisers to prove a point.



I wouldn't have anything to gank if when my flashing red alt showed up in system, they took precautions and at very least aligned, This is assuming they are even at the keyboard.

Once I warp to them (takes about 10 to 20 sec to scan down a belt with a miner in it on d-scan, im not very good with it) they would warp out denying me a target.

But instead they still sit there, blissfully unaware as I approach them, bump them, ask if they are active in local, (at this point if you say your active and just talk to me I will "normally" let you go)

Then finally I overheat and BLAP! they are gone and I know that I have done good, another afk miner will get a mail from me letting them know that the active players in the game don't like it when they passively ruin our income.

And honestly your a great example of how people are out of touch with reality in this game. Your comparing a group of players who blow up miners in a pvp spaceship game with ISIS, a RL group of murders who kill real people, in very gruesome and disgusting ways.

Your ilk of afk miners once they come back make threats, offering to harm us IRL, (with threats of doing things much like the people in ISIS mind you) over a video game, and you lot call us the crazy ones.

Nevil Oscillator
#90 - 2014-10-20 18:08:17 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


I take it you've never fished with dynamite?


It's not my style
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-10-20 18:15:06 UTC
1upnate wrote:
like pvp is fun yeah...

I don't personally partake in ganking miners, but it seems to me that the first four words in your post answered your own question. Also, space explosions are pretty.
Josef Djugashvilis
#92 - 2014-10-20 18:43:41 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dirk Decibel wrote:
]
It's like hunting


End of thread right here, Dirk wins lol.

I don'thave much experience with hunting in real life, I have gone duck hunting twice and a work buddy took me bow hunting once (didn't get anything that time) so that's 3 times in my 40 years. What's incredible is that the same attitude you get from the anti ganking folks in gam is the same you get in real life from the vegan-peta-meat is murder' tree hugger types.

I evenonce heard a lady say that hunters were cowards "because bambi can't shoot back". Irecently realized that if she had played EVE she would have been saying "go to low sec if you want to pvp" LOL.


So, the real life Elmer Fudd has outed himself. Smile

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#93 - 2014-10-21 00:20:50 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I don't get the appeal of it. The miners aren't bothering anyone....why blow them up? At the end of the day it's just a stupid and immature way to get some giggles.....time to move on folks.
Just as playing any game by it's rules, is stupid and immature? You may be on to something.

Hmmm, interesting stuff.


Huh? The rules? I mean you are allowed to sit in station spinning your ship for hours on end....does that make that a smart thing to do? Ditto for running L1 missions all day. That you have a right to do something does not make it the right thing to do.
Well I guess you should tell people that spending hours spinning ships is pointless, if you feel strongly about it.

But I see your point. I should avoid buying certain plots when playing Monopoly, because someone may land on them later and get upset.
I should avoid taking pieces in Chess, because of much the same.
Maybe I should slow the rate of my Hungry Hippo eating, because I may take more balls than you.
Yes, playing a game by it's rules is over rated and even though I could, I shouldn't.

It's a very interesting thought process and I am sure games night with you, would be a rather thrilling experience.

Thanks for the heads up. Big smile



Another brilliant riposte....All of your examples involve doing things to achieve the objective in the game....to win. The conduct here is like moving a knight back and forth aimlessly, while your opponent is checkmating you. Is it legal? Sure. Is it effective? No way. You aren't making isk, you aren't capturing territory, you aren't achieving anything. All you are doing is blowing up helpless miner scrubs....I mean come on, it's pathetic.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#94 - 2014-10-21 00:29:18 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Another brilliant riposte....All of your examples involve doing things to achieve the objective in the game....to win. The conduct here is like moving a knight back and forth aimlessly, while your opponent is checkmating you. Is it legal? Sure. Is it effective? No way. You aren't making isk, you aren't capturing territory, you aren't achieving anything. All you are doing is blowing up helpless miner scrubs....I mean come on, it's pathetic.



This is an example of what i said about you in the past. you are incapable of understandings that other people are different from you. This is common in video games in general and specifically in EVE. Many people question why others do things like they do, like "why do you mine, that's boring" or :"why do you run missions, they make less isk than station trading. It's evidence of an intensly selfish worldview.

At the end of the day, why people choose to play a video game within it's rules is none of your business. I understand this and dsiplay this understanding every night in the game by not giving a damn about why people want to kill me, I simply protect myself against the occurence and move forward with my fun time.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#95 - 2014-10-21 00:34:20 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Another brilliant riposte....All of your examples involve doing things to achieve the objective in the game....to win. The conduct here is like moving a knight back and forth aimlessly, while your opponent is checkmating you. Is it legal? Sure. Is it effective? No way. You aren't making isk, you aren't capturing territory, you aren't achieving anything. All you are doing is blowing up helpless miner scrubs....I mean come on, it's pathetic.



This is an example of what i said about you in the past. you are incapable of understandings that other people are different from you. This is common in video games in general and specifically in EVE. Many people question why others do things like they do, like "why do you mine, that's boring" or :"why do you run missions, they make less isk than station trading. It's evidence of an intensly selfish worldview.

At the end of the day, why people choose to play a video game within it's rules is none of your business. I understand this and dsiplay this understanding every night in the game by not giving a damn about why people want to kill me, I simply protect myself against the occurence and move forward with my fun time.


Congratulations....welcome to the club. Had you bothered reading, you would have noticed that my response was to point out that just because something is allowed by the rules, doesn't make it useful or effective. See ship spinning. See also not logging in. There is no valuable in game objective achieved by ganking pathetic and helpless highsec miners. It's just good for a few giggles, and some third rate tears.
Shailagh Rose
WTB Somalians
#96 - 2014-10-21 05:48:42 UTC
The countless threads such as this are appeal enough.
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#97 - 2014-10-21 10:53:40 UTC
Most of the ganking going on in ice belts is done to force out the competition. Its a valid tactic

Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#98 - 2014-10-21 12:39:25 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Another brilliant riposte....All of your examples involve doing things to achieve the objective in the game....to win. The conduct here is like moving a knight back and forth aimlessly, while your opponent is checkmating you. Is it legal? Sure. Is it effective? No way. You aren't making isk, you aren't capturing territory, you aren't achieving anything. All you are doing is blowing up helpless miner scrubs....I mean come on, it's pathetic.



This is an example of what i said about you in the past. you are incapable of understandings that other people are different from you. This is common in video games in general and specifically in EVE. Many people question why others do things like they do, like "why do you mine, that's boring" or :"why do you run missions, they make less isk than station trading. It's evidence of an intensly selfish worldview.

At the end of the day, why people choose to play a video game within it's rules is none of your business. I understand this and dsiplay this understanding every night in the game by not giving a damn about why people want to kill me, I simply protect myself against the occurence and move forward with my fun time.


Congratulations....welcome to the club. Had you bothered reading, you would have noticed that my response was to point out that just because something is allowed by the rules, doesn't make it useful or effective. See ship spinning. See also not logging in. There is no valuable in game objective achieved by ganking pathetic and helpless highsec miners. It's just good for a few giggles, and some third rate tears.


You missed a word. Not valuable TO YOU. That's what you are never able to comprehend. Even if you don't find 'value' in something, some one else may.

You don't know why other people do the things they do, or why they enjoy them. For instance, you don't know for a fact that some people gank (or pay for ganking) as a tool to stifle competition. Or to even a personal grudge. Or out of a sense of striking a blow against the lazy and entitled etc etc.

Allof those things have value to other people. You don't get to decide what is universally valuable to everyone, you get to decide that for yourself, just like me.

I personally don't see the value in ganking versus the other things I do in game (exploring, mission running and occasionally incursions). Know what that means? It means i don't gank and I protect myself from being ganked, and that's ALL it means. My opinion applies to me and me alone, others may do as they wish for whatever reason they wish because freedom (within the EULA) is at the heart of EVE, not matter what people with your...authoritarian tendencies like to think.

Don't like 'noobs' being ganked? Go out there and protect them. Teach them how to fly safe a minimize the chances of being ganked. Encourage them to take pride in being able to evade ganking (while teaching them that even if you do the best you can, you can still explode, because that's the kind of game EVE is).

Of course, you won't do any of that because that involves more effort than running to the forums advocating CCP change a core aspect of the game (which ganking represents) "for the sake of the children noobs".
Krysti
Doomheim
#99 - 2014-10-21 12:39:39 UTC
Well I got ganked yesterday and lost 2B in implants etc... I was afk for ten minutes.

It's very easy to say carebear cry baby, the game is hard, and it’s the economy...

How about saying let’s make a meaningful game?

The point for me is that these low life morons lose nothing, they use cheap ships with disposable alts, they have no challenge and yet, can cost someone billions and more important to me cost me time to set up again in the game.

All I can do in return is make the killright public.

I can tell you 100 percent it is far safer to play the game generally now in null, something that I ironically found very boring.

So try hi-sec again, FW is great, log into an old alt do some mining and bang.

So you now have a game full of idiots killing soft targets in hi-sec and cosy null bears making money in null.

Somewhere there is a design flaw, yeah and lock that other thread the guy was "ranting" about this.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#100 - 2014-10-21 12:47:11 UTC
Krysti wrote:
I was afk for ten minutes.
Would you go AFK while playing any other PvP game?

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