EVE General Discussion

You didn't have to drag in a dead horse, your face already looks close enough to one.

I will commence the beatings of your horse face

There wasn't even a concept,

Thing is, the concept for Incarna wasn't the concept just for Incarna, it was Eve's general concept. A complete Sci-fi universe, and one I was and still am behind.

The execution was terrible though. 1 CQ, Forced CQ, no actual flying content, the terrible new non-icons for turrets, poor performance....etc..

However, the biggest thing about the Incarna expansion for me was the lies from CCP.

A number of high up devs (one might have been Soundwave) promised that CQ would not only be completely optional, but wouldn't be implemented if it reduced functionality or TimeToKill.

Going from ~5 seconds to load up the hanger to nearly 20 to load up CQ was a massive faux pas, and completely against the aforementioned promise. Especially in light of some people wanting to dock just to repair/dump loot etc... It also removed lots of handy functions, notably the right click menu on the ship, or the drag and drop abilities.

Then we have the NEX store.
Recorded statements from last June saying CCP had no plans for RMT, previous April Fools jokes with the CEO mocking RMT and Free-to-play, then suddently, "hi guys, new currency and RMT!", when it was pretty obvious it was not only incompatible with Eve's subscription model, completely against the sandbox and player run economy which is one of the big points that makes Eve a success, but also against the wishes of the vast majority of the playerbase (and one of the reasons they played EVE was that it didn't have RMT).

Then to top it off not only were the items priced out of the market, a decision was made to go against one of Eve's core principles: Everything you own can be destroyed and space is brutal.
That, outside of RMT being in game in the first place, is the biggest sin of the entire NEX concept.

And then we had all the bullshit afterwards. Like the $1000 pair of jeans rubbish. Gold Scorps and the rest of it.

When it was announced, I went "oh boy, next will be the naked dancing blue elves on tables - like WoW". Not something I'm into.

I consoled myself that it would be optional and I wouldn't have to go into those stations and see all the male avatars running around in wedding dresses nor the female avatars doing table dances, etc...

Then they removed the ship spinning and forced me into a single room and said "we'll give you the rest soon..." With a big fat RMT store stuck in there for me to buy cut-out barbie clothing for my char - jammed in my face.

If I wanted barbie dolls in space, I'd have signed up for that in an avatar driven game but I didn't. I don't want that crap stuck in my face, etc.

I don't "hate" it any more than I hate mining or other such activities I'm not really into in this game. If I don't want to watch ships shooting rocks with lasers, I don't have to and if I don't want barbie and ken dressup, I really don't think I should be stuck with that cra... err, "part of the game" either.

It is part of the game and there are those that want to get involved in it. Good for them and I hope CCP gives them a nice bunch of outfits to dress their dollies up with.

Just don't make me have to participate in it and I'll be glad to mutter about them "fixing" that side instead of what I want, just like other parts of the game and it looks like they might be listening. I get my ship spinning back, without having to go into that captains quarters so I'm a happy camper.

Again, for my part: I"m not hateful of what they want to put in. I just want that to remain optional - leaving me with my spaceship game and let others do whatever the hell they want dancing and prancing around in stations.

Splitting Eve between FiS and WiS does a disservice to the game. I can get behind CCP's vision of Eve as a sci-fi simulator, but the execution was just terrible. As much as FiS and WiS should be part of one Eve, WiS should not overshadow the development of FiS when there is still so much that can be improved. Tacking on the additonal CQ's into crucible which is laden with quality FiS improvements is the right way to do it until the massive walking in stations addition. And the WiS addition should only be its own expansion if everything is ready. The death of Eve would come if CCP pulls another incarna and adds WiS as its own expansion with no player owned establishments, minigames, and generally everything they've showcased already plus some extras they haven't.

I don't hate the idea of Incarna, I just hate all of you.

Here's me, back in February:

"If I thought CCP’s ‘strategy’ (which seems to consist of hiring a bunch of incompetent programmers and letting them do whatever they think is ‘awesome’) was going to maximize their profits, I’d still be a tad peeved, but I’d accept their choice as rational. But CCP is driving EVE off a cliff, taking their own bottom line with it, and I’ve got 2+ years of car payments invested in this thing."

Of course, I was right back then, and in the summer of rage that followed. Jobs were lost. Project AkJon was launched. Spaceships became a focus again.

That's all well and good. Now CCP needs to recommit themselves to the sandbox concept and to the EVE economy. That's what creates the kind of immersion that gets people logging in dozens of hours a week or answering a CTA at 4AM on a worknight. That's what makes a game truly great. If all I wanted was a PVP simulator, I'd play WoT all day.

Once they do that, then they can assign a few scrubs to Space Barbies development as an afterthought. It's about priorities.