Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So I started a discussion about salvaging and I got some positive feed back. Here is my Idea.

Salvaging should be a career path. A complete rework of salvaging might be needed. Please give my post a chance, and I'll do my best to deliver my idea in an intelligent and engaging manner.




First off, everyone mines. Its the most simplistic isk making career path for beginners. Salvaging should be similar. Something should be done to prevent a massive flooding of rigs, destroying rig prices and/or hurting the rig market in various ways. The solution is scrap. Scrap should be the most common commodity salvaged with the purpose of refining it. There can be many levels of scrap that yield different mineral rewards. This is a different form of mining, and more minerals on the market is no different than having more miners.

Salvaging sites, equipment, skills and cargo scanners.

Lets start with the salvaging sites. A miner points a miner at a rock. Why not have a salvager point a salvager at a wreck? Give it a yield like an asteroid and let the salvagers mine wrecks. Data sites have minable rocks with huge wreckage graphics that can't be mined, or sites have destructible structures that look nice when you frag them. Why not be able to salvage on them a little?

Equipment: There should be different types of salvagers. An aggressive salvager and an efficient salvager. Think of mining again... I can use a sledge hammer to work my way through a large amount of rock taking only the best, missing a lot of the small stuff or damaging some of the possible good stuff. Or I could use an efficient tool like a small hammer and rock chisel. That way I don't miss much and what I do find is undamaged instead of scrap.

Skills should reflect this... With experience I can be more aggressive with an efficient salvager or more efficient with an aggressive salvager. A skill that reflects a persons knowledge of wreckage/salvageable sites allows a person to know what to look for and where its located.. I.e.. a Bonus on salvage. With the proper appraisal/assay skills you yield better salvage (hey is that a diamond or a piece of worthless crystal?)

Maybe the aggressive salvager should break off chunks of larger wrecks like stations. These smaller chunks should waste a lot of the over all yield of the original, but have a chance to either improve or degrade the value of the original. This could cause players to aggressive salvage wrecks contested by others. Try to grab what you can before that jerk takes it all! Or groups finding little treasure troves in far corners of eve working together to maximize salvage!~



Types of salvageable structures: The wreckages should be scan-able with lets say a cargo scanner. The results could be Lucrative, profitable , looted, decayed untouched... etc.

The sites could implement combat.. Drone warrens, infested, Contested, claimed, or maybe quarantined ( thus patrolled? )

Or just floating wrecks....a forgotten battle field, Tragic accident, horrific crash site etc.. unchartered stationed, or just simply part of another site like the asteroids that decorate many sites now.


The sites could have chance finds and bonuses, as you salvage and the yield goes down you could uncover a hidden data or relic site as part of the structure. Or salvage with expectations to find them in sites like Ancient wreck, untouched wreckage Quarantined abandoned research facility etc.

Mix and match the prefix and suffix ! its an infested, untouched forgotten battlefield. Its a looted decayed drone warren. Its a lucrative untouched abandoned research facility etc..


wreckages and probe scanning. I can find a ship, but not a wreck? that's not fair, yes it may make scanning more cluttered, but then a checkable box ( hide wreckage) is a simple fix.

Wreck decay timers. If you don't want it, and are too inconsiderate or lazy to blue it up for others then why should it go to waste? Let it go blue after a set period of time. The value of the decayed wreck yields more scrap type yields (preserving rig markets) and most if not all mod/cargo vanish. Decaying cargo is non-game breaking, non-market impacting, and since the loot is abandoned its a non-issue. Wrecks can retain a small chance for new players to grab decent gear while ( Quazi-mining scrap ) with a chance of armor plates and burnt conduits.

Ok, so I've gone on long enough. Do you see the possibilities for this being its own career path? A fun way to mine while gaining other resources for rig production. Please give this idea consideration and take note I suggested ways it could lessen the impact on the rig market while offering a quazi-mining experience that can be fun, profitable the best part ( not mining )

I for got about new ship and mod types.

Slagger, crow, raven, reaper, ships with salvaging bonuses, or ships with industrial scrap compressors, refiners built in.

Mid slot Salvager control mods, to boost efficiency or yield maximizers to improve salvager aggressiveness.
Low slot mods for reprocessing scrap in space to save on cargo space. Scrap Compressors to make scrap smaller ie hold more scrap. Rig slots for salvager drone improvements and upgrades!!! There is just so much possibility for this to be its own class!

you sure.

First, we have salvaging sites: do some scanning and look for the ones labeled "relic sites." Or, go to a mission hub and probe out some missioners.

Second, to be a worthy profession, you need some way to increase the value of salvage, which has already been decimated by the introduction of MTUs, salvage drones, and the Noctis. Injecting even more salvage into the system is going to make the profession less viable, not more.

Some players afk mine. They mine when there not playing. Salvaging should have good yield faster, but since the sites deplete faster. Have a chance for special thinks like uncovering a data site or spawning a pve event. It can't really be done afk style. I see salvaging as a alternate mining style play that requires you to be not afk. For sure mining a rock is damn boring. Spice it up, give it a new spin "call it salvaging" and players like me who are predisposition to avoid mining will do it because it simply isn't mining. Furthermore, since the sites deplete faster you need to spend more time searching new sites. Again proactive, attentive and possibly profitable alternative to the shoot a rock while you watch tv style we have now.

Good for you.



Let me stop you right here. In case you are wondering why you should take a step back and look what a new account in an Ibis can do right after the first tutorial missions and joyning faction warfare.

And still the best way to make isk is moon-poo collecting. It doesn't even need any interaction, well except moving the processed poo to the markets.

i run missions and either have a corp mate or myself salvage the mission sites after everything is blown up. all you need is a noctis with one or more tractor deploys and your set. most of the time i turn the junk modules that aren't worth the time to try and sell and i just reprocess them into valuable minerals for personal use or to sell later.

I would like to see some of the "props" at mission sites be more interactive either it be collecting resources or data for agents if its an instance on the scanner.

okee you got me, I did that once. Turns out as soon as your ore-bay is filled your afk activity stops or Mag's comes along with his Catalyst and shoots mah barge..

It looks like you have never used a salvager in your life. You don't get modules from salvaging, you get electronic parts, plates etc. - the same stuff you get from looting/running relic sites.

What you are looking at is wreck looting. Here you get modules which can be reprocessed to minerals.

With this said I find this idea interesting. It could be something similar to data/relic site hunting with the possibility to salvage components and maybe find something in in the wreck (e.g. a remaining module). Add the possibility for different salvagers (fast, brute force / slow, less destructive).. we have a nice new idea.

Honestly, I'd like to see salvaging as a more recognizable, "professional" career, but I don't think that really needs many changes.

In my opinion, if we were to make the career more accesible, we could think about a new ship: an Expedition Frigate. Another T2 Venture variant, also made by ORE, painted in blazing orange. Bonused for salvagers. Might also have scan probe bonuses (for finding those wrecks), and perhaps even a covops cloak (or at least being as evasive as the Venture, with its +2 warp strengh).

That way we have a very useful, quite cheap, dedicated plattform for salvaging. Think about it as Noctis' smaller, stealthier brother, in the same way Venture and Prospect are Mining Barges'/Exhumers' ones.

Since CCP mentioned the Prospect would be the first of a series of Expedition Frigates, this one might as well come to life soon...

With such a ship, salvagers can: steal someone else's mission wrecks, quickly take wrecks left by PVP anywhere in the game... Also, if you fit a Data/Relic Analyzer on it you can also try to get salvage from Data/Relic sites. Not that you can't already do that on other ships, but having a dedicated one is much better (think, again, about Venture and Prospect). That alone is probably enough to fund a salvaging career, but if it's not, we could think about more opportunities, such as salvageable wrecks in Data/Relics, making destroyed structures (NPC or deployables) drop a wreck too...

My only requeriment is that it is painted blazing orange.