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Synergy Lotto: A scam story.

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Synergized Mistress
Doomheim
#21 - 2011-11-26 14:33:04 UTC
Andrev Nox wrote:
CCP doesn't do anything with site code. CCP doesn't do audits. They also don't do anything about alts scamming.

So, are you agreeing you're Winning Your Blinks, gintaru, Ail0ra, and Fluentcode?

Or should we start with an audit to confirm that?

I'd be more than happy to foot the bill for you. Is Chribba acceptable?


I dont need to prove myself, nor do i need you to pay for anything.

We are called Synergy Not Blinks, we do not follow your rules / Alts are welcome on our site. Admin and other users alike. As long as everything is kept legit. Im sorry to hear about CCP not doing audits, i was not aware of this, but as you can understand i cannot show you our Code. There is no way in hell i will show our code to competition , nor would you.

#Edit / This is also my last reply

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Andrev Nox
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2011-11-26 14:37:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrev Nox
Never have and never would ask for your code :)

You didn't answer the question, though - are Ail0ra, Winning Ya Blinks, Fluentcode, and gintaru your characters?

You're more than welcome to say no, of course.

But I'll give you an out: I'm not afraid to have our logs audited. :)

Edit:

Just putting this here for safe-keeping. Since your site chat log has disappeared, I wouldn't want anything to accidentally happen to this before eve-search picked it up :)

Synergized Mistress wrote:

I dont need to prove myself, nor do i need you to pay for anything.

We are called Synergy Not Blinks, we do not follow your rules / Alts are welcome on our site. Admin and other users alike. As long as everything is kept legit. Im sorry to hear about CCP not doing audits, i was not aware of this, but as you can understand i cannot show you our Code. There is no way in hell i will show our code to competition , nor would you.

#Edit / This is also my last reply

Somer Blink - The original microlottery site.
Synergized Mistress
Doomheim
#23 - 2011-11-26 14:53:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Synergized Mistress
Andrev Nox wrote:
Never have and never would ask for your code :)

You didn't answer the question, though - are Ail0ra, Winning Ya Blinks, Fluentcode, and gintaru your characters?

You're more than welcome to say no, of course.

But I'll give you an out: I'm not afraid to have our logs audited. :)

Edit:

Just putting this here for safe-keeping. Since your site chat log has disappeared, I wouldn't want anything to accidentally happen to this before eve-search picked it up :)

Synergized Mistress wrote:

I dont need to prove myself, nor do i need you to pay for anything.

We are called Synergy Not Blinks, we do not follow your rules / Alts are welcome on our site. Admin and other users alike. As long as everything is kept legit. Im sorry to hear about CCP not doing audits, i was not aware of this, but as you can understand i cannot show you our Code. There is no way in hell i will show our code to competition , nor would you.

#Edit / This is also my last reply


Our Chat logs are cleared every 2500 lines, trimmed down to 50 again, to keep the database clean

Heres the link to the chatlog before it got trimmed

Linkage

Can you please confirm that this has not been tampered with

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Andrev Nox
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-11-26 15:02:19 UTC
Looks good enough for me. The original is saved in the cache if there's any confusion later, of course :)

But, to ask for a third time - if alts are allowed, even admins, even owner's alts....and you did absolutly nothing wrong with those alts...

Why no answer?

Are Fluentcode, Ail0ra, gintaru, and Winning Ya Blinks your alts?

Or just very close friends who use your computer?

If you say no, I'm more than happy to arrange an auditor to confirm that, completely vindicating you in the public eye and showing me to be incredibly wrong. :)

Somer Blink - The original microlottery site.
Synergized Mistress
Doomheim
#25 - 2011-11-26 15:19:17 UTC
They are indeed alts. But as said before we have not done anything wrong.

As said before, im willing to let my code be checked. Random number selection stays random number selection. If i played on my own lotto with Legit ISK credit, and happened to win does that make it wrong?


Have a Look at the Rhea lotto for example, I played in it aswell, didnt win it. but i did play in it. Someone else won it (who hasnt claimed it yet btw) Does that make it wrong?

I play legit, exactly the same as any other user - No cheats, No Hacks, No special admin-alt rights.

Fair stays Fair doesnt it?

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Zedrik Cayne
Standards and Practices
#26 - 2011-11-26 15:32:12 UTC
The IEEE is now offering special lotto themed IEEE branded popcorn enjoyment paraphernalia.

Now special Blink vs. Synergy popcorn buckets and bags. Along with our usual assortment of gourmet popcorn kernels, flavor shakers, oils, hot air and movie house popcorn machines.

Remember, if you are not eating your popcorn using genuine IEEE branded popcorn enjoyment paraphernalia, just whose crappy bag or box are you eating popcorn out of?

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Synergized Mistress
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-11-26 15:40:12 UTC
Zedrik Cayne wrote:
The IEEE is now offering special lotto themed IEEE branded popcorn enjoyment paraphernalia.

Now special Blink vs. Synergy popcorn buckets and bags. Along with our usual assortment of gourmet popcorn kernels, flavor shakers, oils, hot air and movie house popcorn machines.

Remember, if you are not eating your popcorn using genuine IEEE branded popcorn enjoyment paraphernalia, just whose crappy bag or box are you eating popcorn out of?


Rofl XD

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Kos Meza
CCC Circle
#28 - 2011-11-26 15:53:00 UTC
Quote:
Eve Lottery for the daring : http://www.synergy-lotteries.com


Sure got that right, would have to be damn daring to gamble when the owner of the casino is sat at the table :P
Synergized Mistress
Doomheim
#29 - 2011-11-26 16:09:02 UTC
Kos Meza wrote:
Quote:
Eve Lottery for the daring : http://www.synergy-lotteries.com


Sure got that right, would have to be damn daring to gamble when the owner of the casino is sat at the table :P


But if he plays fair and has a gun to his head would it be a problem?

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Phoenix Eistiras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-11-26 16:24:28 UTC
Synergized Mistress wrote:
Kos Meza wrote:
Quote:
Eve Lottery for the daring : http://www.synergy-lotteries.com


Sure got that right, would have to be damn daring to gamble when the owner of the casino is sat at the table :P


But if he plays fair and has a gun to his head would it be a problem?


If he played fair, then he probably wouldn't mind having his books checked/audited. Which you still haven't really done anything but danced around.

And if he was sitting at the roulette table with 5 other casino employees and they were covering half the bets most of the time, then the percentage chance of the house winning goes up even higher- which means the house has a better chance of taking you than they did before. As far as I can tell, Blink doesn't even have to bother with trying to have the house win- they just profit from people's need to gamble, but at least someone non-Blink-related will win.

Some pretty slick sleuthing going on here.

Synergy site hurts my eyes as is, nice to know what goes on behind the glaring color scheme.
Synergized Mistress
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-11-26 16:35:38 UTC
Actualy we dont mind having our book & database audited.


Our rules are as follows.

Admins alts who play, play as normal users, if they win they get paid out as any other user, they also get credit in the same way as any other user.


If and alt buys 4 of 8 tickets then naturaly he has a 50% chance of winning / losing and even if he does win it does not have anything todo with Synergy as a Entity.

If he looses the Winning character still takes the profits as if 8 totaly random players were playing. As you see, it makes No difference what so ever if an admin plays.

If there are no advantages to the average player then whats the issue? If you wan me to prove via a 3rd party who checks our books, so be it.

I have nothing to Hide

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Nor Tzestu
Dos Pollos Hermanos
#32 - 2011-11-26 16:38:12 UTC
Synergized Mistress wrote:
They are indeed alts. But as said before we have not done anything wrong........



I play legit, exactly the same as any other user - No cheats, No Hacks, No special admin-alt rights.

Fair stays Fair doesnt it?



I mean your joking right? Or do you honestly expect people to be that dumb? Your alt's win the lotteries and that's fair? Obviously no conflict of interest there....Roll
Synergized Mistress
Doomheim
#33 - 2011-11-26 16:39:00 UTC
As per our conversation Andrev Nox



I hereby publicly admit (which i have done before) We did use the layout and Small parts HTML. (Which i was stupid enough to forget references to blinks in)

However Synergy took me almost 2 months to develop completely - The front end took me about 3-4 days in total. The backend code was the hard part.

Which i did appologies for and we came to an agreement that our Layout changes completely or Synergy goes offline by 0:00 Eve Time Tonight.


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Synergized Mistress
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-11-26 16:39:54 UTC
Nor Tzestu wrote:
Synergized Mistress wrote:
They are indeed alts. But as said before we have not done anything wrong........



I play legit, exactly the same as any other user - No cheats, No Hacks, No special admin-alt rights.

Fair stays Fair doesnt it?



I mean your joking right? Or do you honestly expect people to be that dumb? Your alt's win the lotteries and that's fair? Obviously no conflict of interest there....Roll



If i play with the same money source as you. abiding to the same rules as you, what makes me different to you?

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Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#35 - 2011-11-26 16:44:18 UTC
Thank you OP. Good work on this one.
Andrev Nox
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-11-26 17:07:00 UTC
Synergized Mistress wrote:
They are indeed alts.

.......

Fair stays Fair doesnt it?


That settles the thread for me.

The owner of the site, who is also the top two winners on the site, who also won the Nyx on the site, who stole code, who used alts to have conversations with each other endorsing his service....

...is completely fair.

Somer Blink - The original microlottery site.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#37 - 2011-11-26 17:10:14 UTC
Quote:
Synergy is working on a Legal issue.
We have been informed of legal issues with the Synergy website.

We will be back in a couple of hours after we have solved the issue and recieved confirmation that it has been solved.

Sorry for the downtime.


Hmm...

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#38 - 2011-11-26 17:47:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaanchana
Oh cmon.. you don't expect people to believe in all that 'its fair' crap, do you?

Posting in your own lotto thread as a different user is a blatant marketing manipulation.

Any gambling game has a steep advantage towards the house. Now you play in your own game with your alts and you buy majority of the tickets. that raises the advantage by a hell a lot more. Don't tell me thats fair.

One decent thing would be to let the audit happen. But i don't think that will be 'fair' for you.


Edit: The sad part is I honestly expected your site to be good. I mean blink has no successful competitors yet and i thought synergy is doing good. Sad
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#39 - 2011-11-26 17:51:33 UTC
Synergized Mistress wrote:
Nor Tzestu wrote:
Synergized Mistress wrote:
They are indeed alts. But as said before we have not done anything wrong........



I play legit, exactly the same as any other user - No cheats, No Hacks, No special admin-alt rights.

Fair stays Fair doesnt it?



I mean your joking right? Or do you honestly expect people to be that dumb? Your alt's win the lotteries and that's fair? Obviously no conflict of interest there....Roll



If i play with the same money source as you. abiding to the same rules as you, what makes me different to you?



And you are not the same as us. You play for YOUR OWN nyx. The money you invest doesn't go anywhere, it stays in your pool side its a given that you will win the lotto. (you can even be tampering with the dice for all we know) Its not so happy for the real players who buy your tickets for 175mil a piece.
seany1212
M Y S T
#40 - 2011-11-26 18:01:47 UTC
Andrev Nox wrote:
Synergized Mistress wrote:
They are indeed alts.

.......

Fair stays Fair doesnt it?


That settles the thread for me.

The owner of the site, who is also the top two winners on the site, who also won the Nyx on the site, who stole code, who used alts to have conversations with each other endorsing his service....

...is completely fair.



I'm not a big fan of blink, mainly because I never win lol but as I said before I give kudos to the detective work. What I also give kudos to is synergized mistress, he/she has seen a potential market for a new scam based on available gambling methods, even if they get exposed completely as frauds the idea itself as a scam is genius, it needs more distance from the winning characters and probably more winners but if it draws in the isk, game on :p I just wish I had the mind to come up with them Lol