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Alright. Additional 'optimized' stuffs are nifty, and additional faction POS BPCs are nifty, but the added industrial goods and faction materials just don't seem to have value to me. Considering that salvage from Relic sites can yield loots with an isk-to-volume density grossly outstripping the random industrial macguffins, how is this to stoke my desire to run data sites?

I mean, the faction POS stuffs might do it if the drop rate increases enough-- but I'd really hoped for something new, like, say, faction ammo BPCs, low volume faction module BPCs, etc.

You have a long ways to go to fix the PVE side of EVE. Nothing like 10 years of neglect.

Meh. I was expecting a more serious overhaul given the strides you took when making changes to Travel in EVE. Even moreso since you were bringing those changes into our backyard as wormhole residents. The items you're adding, however, are unlikely to impact the site value as you expect. Take this example:

ANGEL STANDARD TRIGGER MECHANISM

In all of high-sec right now there appears to be maybe 15 units being bought for any value, with 50% value after that for 50 more units and that's it. There is no way a market like that can sustain and increased volume of supply hitting it. The value of these items will drop through the floor.

Just my 2 cents. I love the intent, but I don't think these changes will have any significant impact on the relative value of the sites though I do appreciate the additional content in wormhole space.

Yes, I like the changes very much, thank you :).

After reading the blog, one thing has me puzzled. The list of added faction specific loot (assuming it will drop based on which faction space the site spawns) is missing Sansha items.
Does that mean there will be no faction specific drops from data sites in Sansha space?

Kudos to you if these are the PvE fixes (or part of) that you've been working on. All these "glitch" repair efforts are well worth the time invested. Nothing kills EVE faster than hitting a bug in a mission or escalation or being locked out of something you've invested time to do.

interesting data site changes

How about fixing the escalation refresh mechanic. Kind of tired of doing my isking and receive an expedition just to not be able to run it because of a static 24 hour timer. I never read about or even heard rumor of removing that refresh ability until one day I simply could not do it anymore. I remember there was a time when one could simply warp to the site and the timer would refresh. Alternately, I have had several of them despawn while I was running them.

Any plans on fixing either of these issues?

I sincerely thank you guys for taking a look at exploration and data sites, the problem is that you're not addressing the underlying issues and not going far enough even when you do.

1) Cutting the m3 in half still means these components are too bulky, try at least 0.1 or even 0.01, not 0.5. Most people run these sites in covert ops without cargo extenders, and my buzzard only has a cargo of 190 m3. Nullsec data sites generally have double or triple that m3 in components alone, so halving that value still isn't even close to being enough since the average explorer wants to be able to run more than just one site before having to offload. You can run dozens of relic sites in a covert ops before filling up the cargohold.

2) The real issue with data site components is that they aren't worth anything because invention interfaces aren't consumed and supply vastly outweighs demand. I don't want worthless junk in my cargohold whether it's 1.0 or 0.5 or 0.1 m3. If you want to fix data sites, then make data components actually useful and thus valuable.

My standard MO for running a data site is as follows:
-hack cans until cargo full
-jettison interface BPCs, data components, and carbon
-repeat

The only thing these changes will accomplish is to increase the time between when I'll need to jettison the worthless junk into space.

A suggestion on expeditions:

At current state an expedition in the journal is identified by it's description. I think it would be more user friendly to put the title of the expedition in that column instead.

For example:

Instead of:

"A couple of the ships you destroyed bear different marks than the rest and after closer inspection you find that their navigation logs point to a place nearby as their...... bla bla bla"

Just:

"Nation on the Rise (Part1)"

Furthermore the ability to hide certain expeditions in the journal list would be really nice, just like in the signature list.


A few other things off the top of my head, you might consider:
- longer expiration date
- fewer jumps between escalation parts
- expeditions end in the security status, where they started (high,low,null)

You halved the volume of unwanted crap items - Yay?

Faction BPC drop increase - Yay. They were very rare, so unless you went crazy with the drop rate increase, this should be good.

Potential crash of optimized item prices incoming - Yay? I have no idea how much they're used though, so maybe the change isn't drastic.

Faction materials added - Yay? Is there a real market for these?

Industrial Goods added - More trash no one wants to pick up.

Expedition changes are positive, but are also so minor they're barely worth mentioning. Am I missing something or is this data site boost going to fail to do what it aims to do. What I see is a few bright spots in a group of changes, that mostly aim to add a few bug fixes, unwanted crap and make the existing unwanted crap a bit less terrible. Unless you have some additional plans to make that low ISK/m3 loot more desirable, I don't think you're going to make much of an impact on the profitability of the sites.