EVE General Discussion

Yes they allready do through taxes, at least in most alliances. I don't now if GSF or PL have general taxes set up. But the thing is alliance members don't like high taxes because if they go through the hassle of ratting they want to keep the most part of the isk for themself otherwise no one would rat.

Renters on the other hand are only allowed in thier rented space because they pay isk for it and they don't seem to mind paying a lot of isk because their only purpose in the game seems to be earning isk anyways.
So you can milk out your renters but you usually can't milk out your alliance members.

eh some enjoy fighting back, I'm not scared of losing a ship, but i'm also not going to fight 30 people that hot drop me.. imma freak out poop myself and run the F away.

Wait till after the patch. Invasion imminent.

I use a bomber alt to do my nulsec hunting, so my response comes from the viewpoint of an individual pilot whose primary targets are miners, BC's, and BS's that are tanked against local damage types.

On the individual level, as I see it, it's largely meaningless. A single pilot cannot have enough of an impact on any one group to severely affect them (with a few exceptions, of which Cloaking in their system for a length of time is, though a decent person will barely even be affected by that if they know what they're doing). At the same time, an individual in a renter corp doesn't have enough matter in the grand scheme of things for their losses to matter.

However, even a small group can create a meaningful impact in a localized area, while larger groups can affect a region (look at PASTA as an example). There aren't enough large hunters to make much of an impact beyond that, though.

In the grand scheme of things, the ISK in nulsec is just too good, and there are too many renters and potential renters with too few predators to make a meaningful impact on a larger scale.

Generic Renter Corp may have five people lose a combined 15b in carriers this week to a roaming gang, but the month before, those same five people made a combined 25b ISK from it while their space was barely even noticed, will still be up 10b ISK this month, and when the roamers move on to their next target, those five people will make another 25b the next month, while the corp as a whole pulled in 100b+ for the month after loses and expenses.

Even when a system is being camped, passive forms of income such as station trading in the regional hub (if one exists) and PI can still produce a bit of profit (nothing quite like what they would be making while ratting, but they've hardly been reduced to having zero income), and if the players were wise, they would have jumpclones set up in Empire space to have something to do during a concentrated camping effort, essentially negating the efforts of the campers, to begin with.

So individually, no, there's no impact being made. Small groups can have a fairly decent impact in a localized area, but on the whole, they aren't able to really have a decisive presence to cause a lot of issues for the locals. There just aren't enough hunters to make a meaningful impact on a wide scale (even PASTA, with ~400 members, are largely only able to affect a small area, in the grand scheme of nulsec space).

PvP is killing nullsec :D


amidoingitrite?

Seems that parts of the lingo are very very old...

Yes it is and quite hard to get rid of
But there is no offense intended to actual jewish people

Killing renters is an absolute necessity.

It's what interceptors were meant for, and besides a good number of renters are multiboxing botters anyway. Your'e really helping CCP out by killing them.

I am not sure if the rents are still the same but if we take your 4 billion per system as a guideline and look at 688 systems with Northern Associates holding sov. we arrive at the not so shabby sum of 2752 billion PER MONTH for the landlords of NA.

Bottinghood of Tangra would earn their PL lords ~1450 billion per month and even the CFC renters would earn their masters ~500 billion a month.

Oh how poor must the land lords be and how terrible the life must be if you get that much isks each month for doing nothing at all. Since there is a no sov war agreement there isn´t much to waste isks on.

How many titans did PL lose again? 33? if we assume 100 bill each including fitting for the sake of easy calculating, those losses were basically replaced as far as isks are concerned within a little over 2 months.
So during this age of the blue doughnut with nothing to waste these insane amounts of isks on what do N3., PL and the CFC do with all those isks? Stockpile cap and supercap fleets at every other system so that the upcoming fatigue system won´t bother them at all?

It was also a little more complicated then it is now, but yes, there were various factions that paid rent, or protection/hush money. BoB had the GBC which it would let die often if it was not in there interest to save there pets.

My alliance, Brotherhood of steel, used to live in the kari pipe and were alies with UK. When CVA came in and tossed UK on there rear end we were given the option to switch sides or die. We switched, but still had a war with cry havocs founders. For some odd reason, I had a working relationship with Tyraxx, and for reasons I still dunno, he let us move to iac space. We did not pay rent but we had a few systems and were semi pets.

So in some cases, its was more complicate then.

When dominion came out, my alliance was one of the first renters, only because a director took sov in cloud ring before we were ready so we sued for peace with Evoke. When goods, or It might of been test, I forget, put pressure on evoke in CR we moved and became altas. renters. They had lame rules, in that we had to blue all other renters. it was annoying as there were a few I would of loved to have a skirmish with.

Anyway, picking on renters is easy to do, cause form experience, most of the time the renting alliance is too weak to stop you. Otherwise they would throw off the yoke of rent.

And I saw first hand, how if one alliance won't pay rent and gets evicked, then there are 5 more that will. We used to have biddign wars for systems in atlas space a few times.