EVE General Discussion

A lot of WH groups make it their business to prey on renters almost exclusively. They kill a lot of ratting carriers. Like, a lot....

Dunno too much about it myself cos we are bad at catching them before they dock/POS up but I think the numbers are negligible in the grand scheme of things.

Phoebe will make rental empires defunct though no?

no no, rental empires can still exist, but it'll be like renting an apartment in downtown LA while your Landlord lives in Miami, your probably going to get beat to crap, theirs no local authority to protect you, and the person your supposed to file complaints to cant hear you over the sound of their clanging mojito glasses

Nullsec leaderships have already given their response, pretty much any N3/CFC just copy/pastes the same arguement that "renters are iportant because it gives the little guy a way into null, which is a good thing", beause apparently disbanding your corp to join a mass of statistics onsidered an expendable meatshield by their landlord's, and who are forbidden from taking independent action, is "getting little guys into null"

Thank you, Ilaister and Ka' for your responses so far.

I do remember people explaining why renting became a thing and I hope that those people in the know will share their knowledge in here.

Hearsay and biased opinions on the matter aren't helpfull.

Technetium nerfs.
Goons and PL where the major tech holders in new Eden and after it got nerfed both needed a new (old) way to earn a shitton of isk every month with the least effort possible.
Luckily there seems to be a neverending flow of carebears that find high sec to risky to perma rat all day and are willing to pay a rent for their space every month so the large renter empires where born.

There was a renter guy who used to post here regularly that occasionally put data up, and showed that exclusively renting a system for himself (incidentally, from us, but it applies whoever you rent from) was worth the money because they weren't competing with other players for anomoly and signature spawns. When you come in to alliance space, you are usually competing with a considerable number of other players, and the truly dedicated npc-killers know the "best" systems, are often running specialised fits, multi-boxing, and have shaved the practice to an art-form, so if you aren't a dedicated sig-runner (like I'm not, shooting red crosses makes me consider ending it all), you are left with the chaff anomolies or forced to go to the back-end of nowhere, which is particularly unhelpful if your pvp character is also your ratter as you don't want to be six jumpbridges away when a ping goes out (especially with the coming patch).

In the end, it looks like an effort/reward equation - if you are just in Null for the rats (and not the PVP), renting means you always have your spot waiting for you, rather than have to muscle your way through the crowds. Personally I'd never do it, but I can see why some people would.

Thank you, Aralyn, for your insightfull post!

Thanks again, Ka' !

Would you say that renters are a necessity nowadays? I still seem to miss a detail here,
or I am blind in regards to it.

Of every big sov holding alliance there must be people who like to rat. These people could be set up
to farm anoms and deliver parts of the income to the alliances ... which would be bigger income than
from actual renters, no?

Am I missing something here?
I would totally make a call through all members to find such people.

I honestly read through all posts, but this detail is beyond me. There would be no competing,
but simply having dedicated people farm sites for alliance income ...
... which would surpass renting income ... no?

Sorry if this seems redundant, I might be missing something here.

That also explains the response to this. *snicker*