Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Cloaking is ok like it is and doesn't need any change.

If you want to get rid of cloacker just be on top after DT, ready to probe and cloacky characters on your watch list.

If those are there just to be there and create panic/paranoia, you can just ignore them or take some pills (seems the last might help better)

If it's a cloacky ambusher the chances you get it are far better with a tanky hauler than any sort of probe. Anyway if you want to catch cloackers you can, if you don't want to put efort to do this then you should never be able to do it by any sort of new mechanic since the problem is not clocaking as it id right now, the problem is your lack of will and effort to get it and kill it.

My solution is not a new one: play in groups, use intell chans, try to interact with the cloacky guy and get it.
You have free instant intell on who's in the system, you have dozens of in game tools to prevent other player to get in to your system and gather intell and so on.

Now you poor excuse that you have to get up in the morning at 3:00 isn't one. You don't put enough effort to keep your systems clear/clean, form people how to gather better intell and comunicate it, make traps and try to get the cloaky evil boy.
You want nothing else than see your wallet blink every 20min with +25M free of risk, free of local cloacky neutrals and eventually fap on your 26accounts wallet blinking and so on.

Now parrots start crying and vomiting rap about how safe hgh sec is and how profitable high sec is. I can cloak in high sec too...

So, in my opinion your problem is not cloacking. Your problem is how to make more isk, risk free when you already don't even waste time looting and salvaging the wrecks of those rats you've killed (unless drones isk printing machine). You are another of those players who defenitively need a private server and play alone.

Move on, this game is not for you or at least null sec is not for you. Go to high sec and profit from that wonderful isk printing machine that is high sec with theyr uber isk rewards for free risk etc and leave us alone in null sec.
Come cloak in my systems if you want, I don't give a crap about it. At worst I'll get a 1vs1 decent fight, at worst I'll loose pixels easily replaced, where's the problem?

That is a terrible means of protection lol

I hate AFK cloaking, and I hate local, and I'd love to see roaming etc. become viable again through something like delayed local but completely removing local and pretending that sitting alts on the gates 24/7 is a viable means of protection is just... far fetched.

First off, you're replacing one boring necessary aspect of the game (AFK cloaking) with another boring necessary aspect of the game, staring at a gate for hours on end. For another thing, it wouldn't even work. All I'd need to do is log in very quickly after down time, sneak in in my cloaky and wait. Ten minutes later when people start logging in I could drop a black ops gang/supers on whatever the hell I wanted.

Obsessively scanning for new WHs, sitting alts on the entrances and spamming D-Scan might work in WHs but in WHs you can't black ops or titan bridge. In a WH if you de-cloak in a rapier/arazu and point a carrier that's part of a gang running a sight, you're ******. In null you just pop your cyno and trolololol in local while the carrier dies.


This "run the sites or it isn't AFK cloaking" stuff is BS. I'm on the same side as you when it comes to increasing risk in null, and even I think that's a massive ******* straw man. It isn't "psychological warfare", because a neutral cloaked in local is a genuine threat.

Unless your argument is that because he's only a threat when he's at the keyboard, it isn't AFK cloaking, and that's the subject title so a non-AFK cloaker is irrelevant. In which case it's just semantics, the issue isn't AFK cloaking, it's people coming back from AFK cloaking and killing people. But that makes a slightly less snappy thread title.

tl;dr: local needs changing, being forced to AFK cloak to kill care bears is boring, null sec is too safe etc. BUT please don't advocate making null sec more dangerous or modifying local with terri-bad arguments because it makes the rest of us look bad.

This thread again? Do you honestly think that AFK cloaking is suddenly some new, dire situation? Exactly what change brought about this suddenly broken mechanic? What's that, cloaking hasn't been changed? Oh, that's right. This isn't some new thing, and your disgusting sensationalism in the OP is a fine example of a flaming hot case of hemorrhoids with signs of show-me-where-on-the-dolly damage.

Null sec isn't secure. If your entire alliance (go read the OP, he says "entire alliance") only rats in one system (and an AFK cloaker, by virtue of being entirely incapable of moving while AFK cannot threaten more than one), then you have a pathetically weak alliance that is apparently too lazy or too stupid to move one system over. I suggest you leave null sec and never look back - you obviously don't belong.

If you want to move around unafraid of the magical & instantaneous information local provides, then go to hisec. Nerfing cloaks is a pathetic cop out to preserve your half-assed laziness in that A) you can move, B) it's one guy who is in a cloak ship not a WTFALLIANCEPWNMOBILE, C) its your premise that he's AFK and thus harmless to you, and D) can tell when he's doing anything through Dscan.

Get over the butt hurt, learn to deal with null sec like everyone else, and stop bawling your fists and crying on the forums or just leave null sec. Panzy.

I'll restrain myself from retaliating by stooping to the dark arts of Necromancy for now, but since this crap has arisen it would amiss of me not to point towards my latest proposal in solving the real problem, that is Local Chat Intel. It can be found here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=105499&find=unread Please lend your support and input.

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The problem here is not cloaking at all. They deal with this in wormholes, and it works just fine there.

The problem, is leveraged threat.

The ship, which in most of these arguments is cloaked, is able to risk only itself against the enemy. Then it finds a target it likes, and it uses it's leverage by virtue of a cyno: None of the cyno'd ships were at risk, or even involved, until they chose to use that bridge, or jump themselves.

If a ship has a cyno, it should be possible to hunt them prior to it's activation.

I am NOT saying we should be able to hunt cloaked ships, (in this case), but the cyno ship.

Force a delay of one minute on a cyno, for any ship which is also mounting a cloak. This delay to manifest as the cyno beacon shows up in the overview for a full minute before ANY ship can use it to come in.

Not using a cloak? Then the cyno works normally.
And no, the cloak can be powered off and greyed out completely, the delay happens simply because it is mounted at the same time the cyno field generator is.

Cloaking is working as intended, and does not need fuel.

You want to cry about how an "AFK cloaker" can hurt you? Camp the gates and prevent them from leaving the system in one piece.

But then again, I suppose if someone who is AFK scares you, then the concept of PvP is your worst nightmare.

Cry moar, your tears are delicious.

EDIT: Forgot to include the following mandatory interrogative statement: "Show me on the doll where the AFK cloaker touched you."