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Hard Data: Hisec/Lowsec/Nullsec Asteroid Sizes and Respawning

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Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#1 - 2014-10-14 02:57:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Neugeniko
Hello again S&I,
I've been over on the test server collecting info on asteroid sizes and growth at down time. It's a work in progress but here is the hard data.

Conclusions so far (approximate values)
- Asteroids grow in size at downtime. In the system examined they grew to 30% then to 72% then to 100%.
- Asteroid size doesn't vary for at least 0.5 to 0.7 security systems.
- Average Veldspar size was about 7000 m3 for a fully grown asteroid :).
- Average Scordite size was 4550 m3.
- Average Plagioclase size was 10500 m3
- Average Pyroxeres size was 7700 m3
- Average Kernite size was 8400 m3
- Average Omber size was 6600 m3
- Systems come in two varieties, those with a wide and those with a narrow spread of asteroid sizes.
- Each system also has a very strongly dominant variant (0% extra yeild, 5% extra yeild or 10% extra yeild ore variant)

Lowsec
- Average Veldspar size was 9100 m3
- Average Scordite size was 5900 m3.
- Average Plagioclase size was 13650 m3
- Average Pyroxeres size was 10000 m3
- Average Kernite size was 11000 m3
- Average Omber size was 8600 m3

- Average Hemorphite size was 7735 m3
- Average Hedbergite size was 8645 m3
- Average Jaspet size was 9100 m3

Nullsec (need more data)
- Average Veldspar was 7350 m3
- Average Scordite was 7350 m3
- Average Omber size was 13200 m3
- Average Hemorphite was 23205 m3
- Average Hedbergite was 25905 m3
- Average Dark Ochre was 50000 m3
- Average Bistot size was 70000 m3
- Average Gneiss size was 90000 m3
- Average Spodumain size was 90000 m3
- Average Arkonor size was 80000 m3
- Average Crokite size was 105000 m3

Mining Simulator
- You lose about 15% isk per hour to additional over mining when mining a 30% spawned belt compared to a fully spawned belt in highsec.
- The asteroid size distribution can be modeled with a Gaussian with 3.7 standard deviations between 0 and average asteroid size.

*Still need info on plagioclase, jaspet, kernite and pyroxeres in null.

Will keep this thread updated as I collect more data.

Cheers,
Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#2 - 2014-10-15 09:51:30 UTC
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#3 - 2014-10-15 22:57:07 UTC
Nice work. Have you tried to verify if it's the same algorithm on Tranquility?
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#4 - 2014-10-15 23:13:36 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Nice work. Have you tried to verify if it's the same algorithm on Tranquility?


No I haven't though I do have some old data from tranquility that approximately matches up with what I've observed as far as asteroid sizes. Respawn mechanics are a bit harder to test because you have to mine out belts and be on immediately after down time, probably won't investigate it any further for the time being.

Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#5 - 2014-10-20 02:29:14 UTC
Examined some more low sec systems and adjusted the sizes reported here.

Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#6 - 2014-10-22 03:52:02 UTC
Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-10-22 15:03:38 UTC
this is something I've been curious about for a long time, thanks for this.

What do you mean when you say "x ore is x% of veldspar"?
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#8 - 2014-10-22 22:00:23 UTC
Civ Kado wrote:
this is something I've been curious about for a long time, thanks for this.

What do you mean when you say "x ore is x% of veldspar"?


For example Bistot is 1000% the size of veldspar or 10 times the size. I wanted to avoid the use of the word larger because that would be 900% larger. Sorry if its a bit confusing. I'll try make the post clear next time I update.

Neug
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-10-23 02:18:36 UTC
Out of curiousity, why are you referencing everything's size to Veldspar, and not in its own m3? Makes far more sense to read:

Omber: 5000m3
Arkonor: 35,000m3
Bistot, 45,000m3

Than it does to read:

Omber: 70% of 7000
Arkonor: 500% of 7000
Bistot: 650% of 7000

Plus it would even be easier for you to post, since you wouldn't need to be changing and mofidifying the volumes all into veldspar.

What you are doing is certainly interesting, even if it has the potential to miss some very important mechanics, like if respawn rate is based at all on title amount mined in Eve (which I doubt) or something similar, I'd even offer to help with my mining accounts if I weren't overseas, I just don't understand using Veldspar as your base unit when m3 is preferred.
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#10 - 2014-10-23 02:39:38 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Out of curiousity, why are you referencing everything's size to Veldspar, and not in its own m3? Makes far more sense to read:

Omber: 5000m3
Arkonor: 35,000m3
Bistot, 45,000m3

Than it does to read:

Omber: 70% of 7000
Arkonor: 500% of 7000
Bistot: 650% of 7000

Plus it would even be easier for you to post, since you wouldn't need to be changing and mofidifying the volumes all into veldspar.

What you are doing is certainly interesting, even if it has the potential to miss some very important mechanics, like if respawn rate is based at all on title amount mined in Eve (which I doubt) or something similar, I'd even offer to help with my mining accounts if I weren't overseas, I just don't understand using Veldspar as your base unit when m3 is preferred.


Yeah it's a Lil confusing, I'll change it.

Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#11 - 2014-10-23 03:07:03 UTC
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#12 - 2014-10-23 06:26:24 UTC
Null has racial splits also in whats available, so try a different region to get the other null ores.
Looks similar to what I saw when looking, though I didn't save my spreadsheets as I was doing a 1 day look because some null people were demanding I back up my argument that null static belts had decent ore in them
Are you also recording the number of asteroids per belt of each type average? So as to see how much total m3 of each ore is in an average belt in the area?
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#13 - 2014-10-23 09:43:55 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Null has racial splits also in whats available, so try a different region to get the other null ores.
Looks similar to what I saw when looking, though I didn't save my spreadsheets as I was doing a 1 day look because some null people were demanding I back up my argument that null static belts had decent ore in them
Are you also recording the number of asteroids per belt of each type average? So as to see how much total m3 of each ore is in an average belt in the area?



I'm just looking at asteroid size for my mining indices/mining simulator spreadsheet. Not scanning the whole belt just flying into the belts doing a scan and moving on to new belts. Since I'm having to fly all over new Eden I'm just in a frig with a 23km scan range so would be hard to get the whole belt.

Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#14 - 2014-10-23 20:24:43 UTC
I've added a Asteroid Statistics subsheet to my Jita Miners Indices/Mining Simulator spreadsheet (see signature) for those wanting a copy of the exact size averages in table form.

Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#15 - 2014-11-01 08:16:20 UTC
Updated OP with info on how to model the asteroid size distribution.

Cheers,
Neug