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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#161 - 2014-10-15 00:03:44 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:


By supporting, he means how many people can effectively run anomalies without bumping in to each other constantly & locking people out because you got to it first. While you get roughly 25 anomaly spawns in a system, only 3 types are actually worth running: Forsaken hubs, gate havens & anal bead sanctums. Forsaken hubs are quite plentiful & some systems may have up to 7 which will support 4 ratters. Gate havens are less plentiful than dust cloud haven (which are crap) & you might get 2 of those in a system which supports 1 guy. Even in -1.0 you're only going to see maybe 4 sanctums & what they are tends to be pretty random each day.

On average systems from -0.6 to -1.0 will support 4 to 6 people trying to make less money than missions in highsec payout. I'd rather have missions than anomalies to be honest.


OK, so if you are so desperate for ISK, why not run Sansha or Blood Missions? You have rental territories that conect to Blood Mission stations for sure, there is one on your rental list. Set up an alt there instead of in your cosy heartland if the ISK is so much better.

Really it just seems like you want everything, good isk, the security of being in the ass end of null, and the ability to reach out touch people from afar.

I still dispute these numbers, it really seems as if you are all running a rat race for ISK, which shouldn't even be necessary given your alliances income and the limited engagements in which you should be losing your own ships. I get that you all think you need to buy 5 more toons with the upcoming changes, but maybe you should just buy some plex instead of complaining that you don't make enough because you guys can't properly share within your organization.



So you think its fine that our empire cannot support its population and that the best option is to make our isk outside of it..
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#162 - 2014-10-15 00:07:17 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Now you are just desperately grasping for any straw so you can tell yourself its not true. As I said do a google search, this is hardly a state secret.


Thanks for flaking-out and confirming your numbers are BS. I already knew they were, now everyone else can see that too.



Im on the phone so I cannot link anything. How about you actually go search for this yourself? Hell if your nice stoix might even come speak to you personally.


Apologies. I am not here to validate your unsubstantiated claims. Quite the opposite. Please educate me.


Seriously do the google search, its the top result. Eve lvl 3 mach.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#163 - 2014-10-15 00:07:34 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Now you are just desperately grasping for any straw so you can tell yourself its not true. As I said do a google search, this is hardly a state secret.


Thanks for flaking-out and confirming your numbers are BS. I already knew they were, now everyone else can see that too.



No, I'm happy to confirm that he's being truthful, Stoxfaux came up with it while we were debunking one of Fabulous Rod's illiterate rants in the faction battleship rebalance thread.

Stoic could pull 80 mil/hr with an L3 Machariel fit that was really rather accessible. Beat the pants off of any fit I had managed to dream up before he posted it. The warp speed mods (and implants, if I recall) really made a big difference, since the travel time is actually one of your major impacts on mission income.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Marsha Mallow
#164 - 2014-10-15 00:08:24 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Apologies. I am not here to validate unsubstantiated claims. Quite the opposite. Please educate me.

.... being so vain?

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#165 - 2014-10-15 00:09:26 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
He starts off with an unsubstantiated assertion that all alliance leaders engage in RMT.


Its not a secret that big alliances use plex referral links and often sell ad space. There is no evidence of illegal RMT, but the Mittani definitely makes money off the game. So do a few others.

If the big alliances can't maintain themselves as supermassive stable power blocks, then that that stable income is loss.[/quote]

Themittani.com does not need the CFC to survive.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#166 - 2014-10-15 00:14:31 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
Really it just seems like you want everything, good isk, the security of being in the ass end of null, and the ability to reach out touch people from afar.


Why shouldn't we have a good isk potential for our members in space that we spend tens of billions on per month?

Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
I still dispute these numbers, it really seems as if you are all running a rat race for ISK, which shouldn't even be necessary given your alliances income and the limited engagements in which you should be losing your own ships. I get that you all think you need to buy 5 more toons with the upcoming changes, but maybe you should just buy some plex instead of complaining that you don't make enough because you guys can't properly share within your organization.


Alliance income is different from personal income & is used to pay for things like sov bills & SRP, which isn't cheap. People still need to be able to make isk on a personal basis.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#167 - 2014-10-15 00:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
baltec1 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Now you are just desperately grasping for any straw so you can tell yourself its not true. As I said do a google search, this is hardly a state secret.


Thanks for flaking-out and confirming your numbers are BS. I already knew they were, now everyone else can see that too.



Im on the phone so I cannot link anything. How about you actually go search for this yourself? Hell if your nice stoix might even come speak to you personally.


Apologies. I am not here to validate your unsubstantiated claims. Quite the opposite. Please educate me.


Seriously do the google search, its the top result. Eve lvl 3 mach.


Thanks for the specific keywords, that was perfect, the ones I was using did not return the desired results for whatever reason.

I believe this is it:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345580

A good read, and includes spreadsheet pr0n. I am quite curious to locate and dust off my old Mach to try this. Consider my previous requests for this info well satisfied.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#168 - 2014-10-15 00:18:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

TMC does not need the CFC to survive.


EVE does not need TMC to survive, but I quite suspect the opposite is true.


☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#169 - 2014-10-15 00:27:36 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
If you think thats good you should pay close attention to burner mission blitzing. I'm currently testing ways to run them as quickly as possible in cheap assault frigates. The income levels are looking to be crazy ( At least 10k LP per 5 min plus the few mil in mission reward). CCP may have scored another own goal with these things.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#170 - 2014-10-15 00:36:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
If you think thats good you should pay close attention to burner mission blitzing. I'm currently testing ways to run them as quickly as possible in cheap assault frigates. The income levels are looking to be crazy ( At least 10k LP per 5 min plus the few mil in mission reward). CCP may have scored another own goal with these things.


That would definitely be accessible to just about everyone and could make LP as cheap as chips.


☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#171 - 2014-10-15 00:45:04 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
If you think thats good you should pay close attention to burner mission blitzing. I'm currently testing ways to run them as quickly as possible in cheap assault frigates. The income levels are looking to be crazy ( At least 10k LP per 5 min plus the few mil in mission reward). CCP may have scored another own goal with these things.


That would definitely be accessible to just about everyone and could make LP as cheap as chips.



Not entirely. You are going to need a lot of different ships to hop into and most of the light weapons. Its rather skill intensive (more so than the mach) and frankly, most mission runners are simply too lazy to do it. I have 4 pinned down using the vengence, retribution, hawk and the wolf. Average ship cost is 50 mil but the fittings are tight.
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#172 - 2014-10-15 00:47:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:



So you think its fine that our empire cannot support its population and that the best option is to make our isk outside of it..


No, I think that the population that you speak of is just as entitled as any high sec bear.

I further think that not only can your empire support its population, but it could support more. If not for a subset of your group who is clearly too greedy for the benefit of the rest of the alliance.


Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#173 - 2014-10-15 00:50:42 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:

No, I think that the population that you speak of is just as entitled as any high sec bear.


Try ganking miners for a couple of weeks, and see if you can say that with a straight face afterward.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#174 - 2014-10-15 00:58:24 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:


Why shouldn't we have a good isk potential for our members in space that we spend tens of billions on per month?



You do, if we go off of Baltecs 90/mil an hour for just anoms. Is that not enough? Your alliance has SRP for fleet work, how much ISK do you think you should be making to make it viable for you to live in near total security with a private jump bridge network, and the comfort of SOV null? Are goons so bad that they whelp a billion ISK worth of ships per system, per day? To singular pirates?

I still stand that the total income in null is higher, because if you average out sigs over a reasonable amount of time, that ISK/hr ratio goes up to levels that are not attainable in High sec. Yet you want more?

Your alliance chose to spend that ISK on SOV, no one made them do it. You guys want to hold land and have your name on the header, so it goes. You don't like the space you have, only take and hold valuable systems then. Don't ***** about not liking the territory you hold, because if it is so bad, you should just move to a better set of systems.

Mallak Azaria wrote:

Alliance income is different from personal income & is used to pay for things like sov bills & SRP, which isn't cheap. People still need to be able to make isk on a personal basis.


Using baltecs 90m/hr, which is lowball, they are making money. Just not enough for your rampant greed, which clearly knows no bounds.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#175 - 2014-10-15 00:59:20 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
baltec1 wrote:



So you think its fine that our empire cannot support its population and that the best option is to make our isk outside of it..


No, I think that the population that you speak of is just as entitled as any high sec bear.

I further think that not only can your empire support its population, but it could support more. If not for a subset of your group who is clearly too greedy for the benefit of the rest of the alliance.




So how do 4000 people go ratting when there is less than 3500 systems in all of null and less than 10 can be supported per system?
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#176 - 2014-10-15 01:01:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:

No, I think that the population that you speak of is just as entitled as any high sec bear.


Try ganking miners for a couple of weeks, and see if you can say that with a straight face afterward.


Read the long distance travel changes thread and tell me those are not in the same vein of high sec protectionist.

There may be a difference relating to degree, but the underlying attitudes are identical.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#177 - 2014-10-15 01:04:46 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:


Using baltecs 90m/hr, which is lowball, they are making money. Just not enough for your rampant greed, which clearly knows no bounds.



No thats using a 5 bil vindi in a system with nobody else in it and no interuptions in the best true sov system with full upgrades. Most get 50-60 mil/hr using a tengu. High sec beats anom income hand down
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#178 - 2014-10-15 01:10:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


No thats using a 5 bil vindi in a system with nobody else in it and no interuptions in the best true sov system with full upgrades. Most get 50-60 mil/hr using a tengu. High sec beats anom income hand down


And like I said, just counting anom income is not telling the full story. You want to wave away sig based income, but it doesn't fly. Yes there is RNG, and yes sometimes you can crap out. Sometimes you can pull 3 vindi prints in a night. Average it out of a thirty day period and it adds substantially to your ISK/hr.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#179 - 2014-10-15 01:13:58 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:

Read the long distance travel changes thread and tell me those are not in the same vein of high sec protectionist.


I have, and they're not.

One is complaining that they are having tedium inflicted upon them, the other is complaining that anyone can inflict things to disrupt their zealous devotion to inflicting tedium on themselves.


Quote:

There may be a difference relating to degree, but the underlying attitudes are identical.


As I have just explained, they are not.

Nor has anyone who is vocally against the recently announced changes attempted to dox CCP, tell CCP that they will find them and murder them in their homes, publicly wish for CCP to get ass cancer, or any of the number of delightful things that carebears do.

There's an order of magnitude's difference here, dude.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2014-10-15 01:15:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


So how do 40000 people go ratting when there is less than 3500 systems in all of null and less than 10 can be supported per system?


FTFY.

You don't have 40000 players. You might have 40000 accounts, but even then why does null sec have to conform to your alliances alt proliferation?

But if you think that you can put 40000 people online, take a few weeks, and make it happen. Make the map glow with pilots in space as your statistic. Keep them all at home, so that you can log on all your capital alts, and various other toons without actually risking them.

Make sure to set a definite time so that it becomes absolutely clear even with a cursory glance at eve offline. Make the 40k spike happen!