EVE General Discussion

I was on the proviblock side of B-R and IS, and I would rather have lost systems in decent brawls and then had the fun of trying to take them back than have people (on both sides, honestly) batphone in caps when things turn south.

An easy first step to fixing null (IMO) is to take away all automatic notifications when sovs/POSes, etc are attacked.

I knew I had a reason to like Elite Dangerous, and here it is

For the life of me i can't understand a person who plays a game he fundamentally dislikes. I've never seen that in real life, not once did i see a guy at the park playing basketball while complaining "this game sucks, they should change the rules". I have, however, worked with people who don't like their job but keep coming to work. That at least makes sense because at least you get paid for that.

But you aren't getting paid to play EVE, so why?

The things you are complaining (and have complained) about are the things I (and I'd guess others) like about EVE. Every time I encounter someone like you I imagine a kid in kindergarten trying to stuff a square peg into a round hole and getting pissed off at the people who make round holes lol.

At some point it has to cross your mind that it's you and your entertainment needs/preferences that are incompatible with this game , not a problem with the game itself. Right?

I'm no fan of Gevlon despite the fact that I've been shooting Goons for the last 7 years (hell, soon after I joined TEST, they started shooting Goons too, I'm totally taking credit for that even though I had nothing to do with it lol). That's besides the point here, I really do hope Elite is something you will actually enjoy...for all of our sakes.

You forgot about the Soy Lattes , can't go all froo froo purse without a Soy Latte.

Most of the people I encounter that play EVE 'in spite of EVE' and not because they like it are actually solo style player and PVE players too (though of course, they are not a majority of any group).

And we get it, you think "solo and small gang" stuff is good and the people who do that are 'superior'. I find it funny when people peg their own or others self worth to how they play a video game. The F1 guys are smashing the same buttons the 'baller solo guys' are.\

Every time in the past I've killed someone solo it was ok, but just as ok as that time I was in a big Atlas fleet and we took C-J6 from the Russians for the 1st time. ie No big deal, it's just a video game.

You haven't lived in EVE until you have painted a giant kill me target on your ship in a large fleet battle, had your entire fleet fleet killed around you and then managed to evade an entire angry fleet with 3-4 other "survivors" in a ship hat has no business doing such hings.

Because I do like EVE, and I have liked EVE for a long time, which is why seeing it go downhill is a shame. Trust me, at the point I stop being entertained by EVE, I will stop playing, I just hope it doesn't come to that.

And what exactly is it you like? Tedious, time consuming gameplay with little to no challenge and no entertainment value? That's what we're heading towards. I mean their idea of an in game event is "gather items, donate to NPC". It's like a giant WoW quest. To be clear, I've played EVE for over 9 years, and throughout that time there's been plenty of changes I've liked, but lately it seems like they are more interested in tinkering with things while talking of a shakeup rather than actually shaking things up like needs to be done.

That's funny, because it seems like it's not just my problem, it's a lot of people's problems. I know you'll say "but we can't possibly know!", but the EVE playerbase is in decline, fact. And it's because the game is stagnating and they aren't pushing hard enough to shake it up. ISK is too easy to get, everyone's min-maxed everything to hell, and the whole idea of being able to do anything you want only really holds true if you are willing to either ally with or pay an established group to be allowed to do so.

Personally I'd like to see them nuke force projection altogether, make self sufficient industry a reality in null, fix faction warfare so it's actually worth fighting for rather than just jumping sides and plexing, shake up resource generation so markets actually fluctuate naturally, hammer back on AFK play and multiboxing, etc. But that's unlikely to happen, since whenever someone complains about anything, they get called carebears and told to quit.

Because I do like EVE, and I have liked EVE for a long time, which is why seeing it go downhill is a shame. Trust me, at the point I stop being entertained by EVE, I will stop playing, I just hope it doesn't come to that.[/quote]

What exactly is going downhill?




I've played for 7 years and I'm still loving it. This is what I mean, it's not something happening to the game, it's your perceptions. I haven't liked a lot of things that have come in to the game but actually like it more than when I started in 2007. By a long shot.

What you find 'tedious', I find relaxing after a long day of dealing with crackheads and other assorted life idiots. Entertainment value is different for each person. That's what you tend to not understand.



Example #2 of your perceptual problems. You don't know that the 'player base is in decline'. CCP introduced a mechanic that negated the need for multiple accounts for character/alt training, this alone could explain 'declining' PCU numbers (by helping to explain the inflated pcu numbers of the past). CCP has also made changes in the not to distant past that killed a whole lot of botting and got rid of a lot of botters.

So while you have jumped to the conclusion that EVE is in decline, it could very well be that the problem was that you actually drank the koolaid all these years when CCP was telling people that the 'playerbase' was growing when it wasn't. Either way, YOU have no way of knowing.

The truth here is that after 9 years of playing you're probably just bored, and rather than blame that boredom on your own aging and slowly evolving change of tastes, you blame it on CCP for not giving you (and others) more stuff to do. This is actually normal, in real life the older people get the more cynical even when the actual world situation isn't getting worse, they are just noticing the crappy parts more as they approach inevitable death lol.



All that sounds great till this..

Say CCP does all this and yet you end up realizing you still feel the same way about EVE (proving it wasn't EVE at all but rather those evolving tastes I mentioned)? What then?

Elite, that's what lol.

We lose hundreds of ratting ships every month and make less than in high sec from anoms.



What we do to people in a war with us has nothing to do with how we want null to operate. We fight to win and use the mechanics to do so,


We have been pushing for big changes to null to end this stalemate for years, in the last 6 months we have been actively pushing for occupational sov and other changes to allow the current empire to contract from owning half the galaxy to just a single region.

BS...If Goon wanted to contract their empire, wouldn't they...contract their empire?

Occupational SOV would let the biggest powerblocks (aka, CFC, NCdot) to overwhelm smaller groups in null and take even more space.

To OP: lol