These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Crime & Punishment

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Who Gets All The Freighter Ganking Loot?

Author
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-10-14 00:26:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Petre en Thielles
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
My first six permit sales were to a goon alt whose orca we ganked, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be accepted to the CFC if I applied. Contrary to popular belief, new order players come from all over eve.

All share purchases go to running SRP programs for normal miner ganking. Freighter revenue is rolled into new ships for freighter ganking, and currently profits are being funneled into share purchases.


A known goon sticking up for CODE? what a surprise! Do you honestly think everyone doesn't know who you are?

You just agreed with me too. You are funneling ISK into share purchases, which is ISK into goon leadership wallets. That was my entire point. I can talk slower next time if you didn't get that.

Tell me more, please.

Paranoid Loyd wrote:
What part of "No one buying shares is expecting anything back" didn't you understand?


What part of "CODE has made over 400 bil in share sales" don't you understand?

Are you that ignorant of how to make ISK in this game?
Paranoid Loyd
#42 - 2014-10-14 00:37:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Petre en Thielles wrote:

Paranoid Loyd wrote:
What part of "No one buying shares is expecting anything back" didn't you understand?


What part of "CODE has made over 400 bil in share sales" don't you understand?

Are you that ignorant of how to make ISK in this game?


I am well aware of how much they have collected, I am also aware of what that money is used for.

You don't seem to understand what is going on. "Shares" is simply what they are called, it is not what they are. Purchasing shares to support the new order is nothing more than a donation. Everyone that has purchased shares understands they will never see any isk from that purchase. They happily donate the money to contribute to the mayhem and laugh at idiots like you that post sperg and have no idea what is actually going on.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#43 - 2014-10-14 01:01:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Petre en Thielles
Paranoid Loyd wrote:

I am well aware of how much they have collected, I am also aware of what that money is used for.

You don't seem to understand what is going on. "Shares" is simply what they are called, it is not what they are. Purchasing shares to support the new order is nothing more than a donation. Everyone that has purchased shares understands they will never see any isk from that purchase. They happily donate the money to laugh at idiots like you that post sperg and have no idea what is actually going on. Why is that so hard for you to understand?


I understand everything you just said. It is also abundantly clear you have no clue what that ISK is for. People who buy shares are what we call 'stupid', because they make a select few goon leaders even wealthier while getting nothing out of it. That is why it is a...you guessed it...scam.

How much did you lose on this? more than a little, or you wouldn't be arguing this hard, right?
Paranoid Loyd
#44 - 2014-10-14 01:02:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
At this point is you are either trolling or hilariously tinfoiled out. Keep on keeping on man, maybe someday you will be right about one of your tinfoil theories. This is not that day.

I have made a few billion from the New Order antics and have not donated a single isk.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#45 - 2014-10-14 01:08:59 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
At this point is you are either trolling or hilariously tinfoiled out. Keep on keeping on man, maybe someday you will be right about one of your tinfoil theories. This is not that day.

I have made a few billion from the New Order antics and have not donated a single isk.


If you think that ISK made from share purchases aren't a major source of scamming, then you are one of the people I have gotten rich in-game off of.

Did you honestly completely ignore any math around share purchases and then try to make fun of me?
Paranoid Loyd
#46 - 2014-10-14 01:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
At this point is you are either trolling or hilariously tinfoiled out. Keep on keeping on man, maybe someday you will be right about one of your tinfoil theories. This is not that day.

I have made a few billion from the New Order antics and have not donated a single isk.


If you think that ISK made from share purchases aren't a major source of scamming, then you are one of the people I have gotten rich in-game off of.

Did you honestly completely ignore any math around share purchases and then try to make fun of me?


Ok, I guess we are going with hilariously tinfoiled out. There is no math. In a situation where the shares are being sold as shares with a defined dividend you would be right. But these shares are not meant to have a payout, that is abundantly clear to anyone who doesn't have tinfoil wrapped too tightly around their head.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#47 - 2014-10-14 01:29:30 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Ok, I guess we are going with hilariously tinfoiled out. There is no math. In a situation where the shares are being sold as shares with a defined dividend you would be right. But these shares are not meant to have a payout, that is abundantly clear to anyone who doesn't have tinfoil wrapped too tightly around their head.



James, E1 and company scamming common folk, funny. James, E1 and company scamming fellow goons, priceless.

Every single ISK you sent them was them profiting from a scam. Call it a tinfoil theory if it makes you feel better about the ISK you lost.
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#48 - 2014-10-14 01:41:43 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
At this point is you are either trolling or hilariously tinfoiled out. Keep on keeping on man, maybe someday you will be right about one of your tinfoil theories. This is not that day.

I have made a few billion from the New Order antics and have not donated a single isk.


If you think that ISK made from share purchases aren't a major source of scamming, then you are one of the people I have gotten rich in-game off of.

Did you honestly completely ignore any math around share purchases and then try to make fun of me?



Have you considered that the people purchases the shares are space-rich enough to afford the as a form of discretionary spending? Or that members of CODE. purchase the shares out of faith after payment for the ships they receive? Or even the fact giving a few hundred million ISK a month to a cause to provide player added content which in hand gives me entertainment is a worthwhile investment of my ISK? Or maybe I just felt like giving away ISK I made from assets I sold from bonus rooms? Or maybe the people purchasing the shares truly believe in the cause and feel that this is the best use of their monies? Or maybe there are space ponies and if you give enough ISK you can get said space pony? Or maybe Fedos.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate

Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#49 - 2014-10-14 02:59:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Jar
Petre en Thielles wrote:
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:
Are you still wanting to know where the loot goes? Or did you just equip your tinfoil hat and call it a day?


440,876 shares have been sold at 1 mil ISK/share. That ISK goes somewhere. The moneymaking scam is in the shares sold to people who enjoy watching the roleplaying/trolling by CODE, not by the ganks themselves. If you are in CODE and aren't getting money from share purchases, you are being scammed.

Sorry for using logic and all...


I do get money from share purchases. James 315 reimburses all catalysts lost ganking miners. That money comes from shares(and from freighter ganks which are used to purchase a lot of shares).

Edit: And notice I am not even in CODE. Shares are paid to any New Order agent.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#50 - 2014-10-14 03:04:18 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Tyyler DURden wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Tyyler DURden wrote:
I need to train reading comprehension to V so I don't make an ass of myself


The code only pertains to high-sec. It mentions that on multiple occasions, read it again and maybe you will understand.

Really Loyd? multiple occasions huh, I saw some jazz about hi-sec miners and the phrase new order territories was in there a few times. I guess I owe you my most humble apologies for making an ass out myself on the eve online forums.

Maybe we could clear up the confusion a bit if we got a real bonafide new order or code agent to answer a few questions.
How about we make them yes or no questions, you know, just to make it easier on the agents.

1. Is afk mining bot aspirant behavior?

2. Is afk mining in nullsec bot aspirant behavior?

3. Are botters only bad in hisec, and ok in low and null?

Sorry again for making an ass out of myself. Thank goodness loyd was there to come to the defense of the code, maybe they should put him in charge. He might even log in for more then ten minutes a day.

I was not defending the code, I couldn't care less about it besides the fact it generates hilarious content and they provide the potential to use them to make isk, I was simply pointing out the fact it clearly is written that it pertains to high sec. To be exact it mentions highsec 22 times and does not address null sec at all.


I would say that null afk mining is pretty dumb too, but its a much much smaller problem than high sec afk mining. For one, there are way more people in high sec and way more afk miners.

Two, the high sec afk miners are the primary ones trapping new players into mining(which leads to them quitting because they think thats all there is to Eve).
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2014-10-14 03:24:53 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:

I would say that null afk mining is pretty dumb too, but its a much much smaller problem than high sec afk mining. For one, there are way more people in high sec and way more afk miners.

Two, the high sec afk miners are the primary ones trapping new players into mining(which leads to them quitting because they think thats all there is to Eve).

Three: nullsec miners realize that there is absolutely nothing "safe" about mining in null (afk or otherwise), and do not ask for it to be made safe.

Four: holy ****, how did this thread manage to turn from "loot sharing in ganks" to "grr gons" so quickly?
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#52 - 2014-10-14 03:31:02 UTC
I've kicked Amyclas out of our channels so many times for being a ****lord it's silly.

WHY DON'T MY BROS ON THE NEW ORDER MODERATING TEAM TAKE MY SIDE JUST ONE TIME!?! WHEN I KICK A GUY IT'S FOR REALZ!!!!*













*sometimes I do it for lulz**
**most of the time I do it for lulz***
***okay, everytime...

Between Ignorance and Wisdom

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#53 - 2014-10-14 08:16:55 UTC
Me or my alts never had anything at all to do with Goonswarm. Some people from Goonswarm are New Order Agents, but so are many other people from many other big alliances. United we strike against the cancer that are the new carebears and the bot-aspirants in Highsec.

People who see a deeper connection between CODE. and Goonswarm where none exists are complete crackpots and should get their head examined.

Despite all of this, I want to take this opportunity to thank our Goonswarm overlords once again for making all this possible.
Dmitri Dracov
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#54 - 2014-10-14 08:37:14 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:


I have made a few billion from the New Order antics and have not donated a single isk.


You're lucky then because the few people I know taking part in these ganks haven't made any isk and that's the reason they gave up joining the fleets. Why spend your time helping to feather somebody else's nest?
Black Pedro
Mine.
#55 - 2014-10-14 09:44:52 UTC
Dmitri Dracov wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:


I have made a few billion from the New Order antics and have not donated a single isk.


You're lucky then because the few people I know taking part in these ganks haven't made any isk and that's the reason they gave up joining the fleets. Why spend your time helping to feather somebody else's nest?


There are ways to make money from a freighter ganking campaign other than the direct sharing of loot.

But really though, why do you and your ilk view everything through the lens of ISK? Don't you see, there are things in this game beyond compulsively watching your ISK balance tick ever upwards? Haven't you or your carebear friends ever wanted to be part of something larger than yourself, or been inspired to actions beyond your own selfish greed?

There a multitude of motivations for participating in a freighter gank squad, many of which have been enumerated above in this thread for you. There are even ways to profit from freighter ganking, if ISK is your sole motivation (as yours seems to be). You need to take off your blinders, step back and see the bigger picture.

Perhaps a short stint enforcing the Code as a New Order agent would open your mind to the greater possibilities on offer to you in New Eden?
Tora Bushido
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#56 - 2014-10-14 09:55:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
Petre en Thielles wrote:
You think CODE and Goon aren't run by the same people? So cute.
I dont think James would agree with you Blink If any relations, its CODE who helped Goons get started with ganking in highsec.

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Dmitri Dracov
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#57 - 2014-10-14 10:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dmitri Dracov
Black Pedro wrote:


There are ways to make money from a freighter ganking campaign other than the direct sharing of loot.

But really though, why do you and your ilk view everything through the lens of ISK?


I don't see everything through an isk lens but I pretty sure the ganker gangmasters do. You sound like an F1 ganker dps drone trying to justify being a scrub.

Quote:
Perhaps a short stint enforcing the Code as a New Order agent would open your mind to the greater possibilities on offer to you in New Eden?


I tried it in the past when people used to use an Orca as a safespot launchpad for gank Cat. Was fun but we shared the costs and rewards not like these days where a couple of guys use a horde of sad killmail whores to make them isk.
Six Beavers
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-10-14 10:20:53 UTC
So I'm just a line member, i gank solo or with my friends most of the time and never asked for reimbursement, i can fund that **** myself... but the past week i've been freighter ganking with free ships. i've tried to extract isk from our victims but the better pirates extract the isk before me, that's totally fine with me. it's totally ok with me if that isk or the freighter loot pads the pockets of leadership or goes direct to our overlords in Goons, I don't care because I get high quality content eve style.

RMT's, scammers, gankers, goons, etc, etc, etc, etc, and ETC with all the massive amounts of smaller scale "darker side" **** that happens in eve is why i play this game instead of the next best theme park. Even this stupidly silly thread beats almost anything else out there in gamer-forum-land.

Lady Areola Fappington
#59 - 2014-10-14 10:25:23 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
I've kicked Amyclas out of our channels so many times for being a ****lord it's silly.

WHY DON'T MY BROS ON THE NEW ORDER MODERATING TEAM TAKE MY SIDE JUST ONE TIME!?! WHEN I KICK A GUY IT'S FOR REALZ!!!!*




John, we all know you're the John Travolta of CODE. It's OK.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Black Pedro
Mine.
#60 - 2014-10-14 11:10:02 UTC
Dmitri Dracov wrote:

I don't see everything through an isk lens but I pretty sure the ganker gangmasters do. You sound like an F1 ganker dps drone trying to justify being a scrub.


Well then you know that ISK is just the means to an end. Our, that is the New Order's end, is the restoration of risk in highsec and the entertaining explosions this engenders along the way. Any loot collected in this endeavour is properly funneled back into the SRP administrated so ably by the Saviour of Highsec, James 315, and his lawfully appointed designates. The ships, logistics and FCs are provided by the New Order, a duly registered non-profit organization of New Eden, so why would the spoils of a New Order freighter ganking operation go anywhere else but back into the coffers for continued destruction?

The Goons may have a slightly different end in mind - I am not privy to all their motivations, but in regards to the increased destruction of highsec freighters by way of suicide gank, our goals perfectly align. But similarly, they are providing all the tools and organization for their current ganking spree, so it would seem fair that any loot goes back into Miniluv's pockets.

While the wide-ranging motivations for individual pilots joining these ops has been explained to you, perhaps you still feel that there is an unfilled need for a true piratical freighter ganking operation in New Eden. I would agree with you - more risk in highsec is a good thing. I then would suggest that you and your ISK-obsessed friends create such a for-profit organization, where you can hirer capsuleers for ganking duty, sharing out the profits as you see fit. It's a good thing however you are posting here on an alt, as your comments here make it clear that you are only out to "feather your own nest" and you might have a serious credibility problem with potential recruits.