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Kazekage Dono
Pertonas Development Inc
#1 - 2014-10-13 11:22:40 UTC
So gate camping with smart bombs up untill now seems very very risk averse. Because of no need to lock they will fit loads of warp stabs. And bumping them out of range is not a good idea.

Cause unless you got 50 people to set on all gates they'll just wait out timer and leave. I mean gateguns are joke in the end.


So yeah my question, is there a counter?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2014-10-13 11:26:29 UTC
Yes. Off-center boomarks. Also works for bubbles.

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Kazekage Dono
Pertonas Development Inc
#3 - 2014-10-13 11:35:29 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Yes. Off-center boomarks. Also works for bubbles.



That would be running away from the problem and is not a counter. I'm talking about killing them. How could one take them out?
Solecist Project
#4 - 2014-10-13 11:38:25 UTC
You alone?
You can't.


Why do you ask?

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#5 - 2014-10-13 11:40:07 UTC
Kazekage Dono wrote:
So yeah my question, is there a counter?
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Kazekage Dono
Pertonas Development Inc
#6 - 2014-10-13 11:45:20 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
You alone?
You can't.


Why do you ask?


Well cause it's not very balanced that 1 pilot can well ... be unaffected by 1 other pilot or 2 probably allot more as well.

The smartbombs or gatecamping isn't the issue. It's that warp core stabs don't affect smartbombs in any way really.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-10-13 11:51:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Kazekage Dono wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
You alone?
You can't.


Why do you ask?


Well cause it's not very balanced that 1 pilot can well ... be unaffected by 1 other pilot or 2 probably allot more as well.

The smartbombs or gatecamping isn't the issue. It's that warp core stabs don't affect smartbombs in any way really.


Two words

Heavy interdictor.

Seriously though, if you can't think of this yourself, you deserve to lose stuff.

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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#8 - 2014-10-13 11:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Archibald Thistlewaite III
Kazekage Dono wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Yes. Off-center boomarks. Also works for bubbles.



That would be running away from the problem and is not a counter. I'm talking about killing them. How could one take them out?



Try a Heavy Interdictor you will also need a few dps ships. If you are worried about the smartbombs fit the dps ships as snipers and warp in at range. Using the HIC as heavy tackle.

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Solecist Project
#9 - 2014-10-13 11:51:37 UTC
Kazekage Dono wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
You alone?
You can't.


Why do you ask?


Well cause it's not very balanced that 1 pilot can well ... be unaffected by 1 other pilot or 2 probably allot more as well.

The smartbombs or gatecamping isn't the issue. It's that warp core stabs don't affect smartbombs in any way really.

All you need is friends with enough points of warpstrength.

Warpcore stabs are already seriously gimping a ship making it useless for anything else
but smartbombs ... and smartbombs themselves are seriously underpowered,
because the only ships they're really viable on to use are battleships.

And that makes them horribly inefficient, unless you fit officer type smartbombs ...
... which are so costly that they're not worth it.

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Kazekage Dono
Pertonas Development Inc
#10 - 2014-10-13 11:57:08 UTC
Ok i will do some tests with a HIC. Thanks all for the advice.
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-10-13 11:59:00 UTC
you could always warp in at range and snipe em. v0v

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-10-13 12:24:06 UTC
Kazekage Dono wrote:
Ok i will do some tests with a HIC. Thanks all for the advice.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#13 - 2014-10-13 12:35:32 UTC
Geddon + heavy neuts + sentries = counter

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#14 - 2014-10-13 19:00:21 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
You alone?
You can't.


Why do you ask?


i have no fn clue to why you are blue to me solecist.

anyways OP best to stay away from smart bombs fleets, and no they dont all fit warp stabs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg

This video is of amarr and gallente FW fleet taking out a titan and escort smartbomb fleet followed by the fleets reinforcements.

oddly enough the FW that got the kills are called noobs yet they are the ones that took down a titan and more before the enemy fleet got a reinforcement fleet

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Huron Marstolt
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-10-13 20:43:30 UTC
Agondray wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
You alone?
You can't.


Why do you ask?


i have no fn clue to why you are blue to me solecist.

anyways OP best to stay away from smart bombs fleets, and no they dont all fit warp stabs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg

This video is of amarr and gallente FW fleet taking out a titan and escort smartbomb fleet followed by the fleets reinforcements.

oddly enough the FW that got the kills are called noobs yet they are the ones that took down a titan and more before the enemy fleet got a reinforcement fleet



Now that looked like fun!
Solecist Project
#16 - 2014-10-13 21:47:47 UTC
Agondray wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
You alone?
You can't.


Why do you ask?


i have no fn clue to why you are blue to me solecist.

anyways OP best to stay away from smart bombs fleets, and no they dont all fit warp stabs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg

This video is of amarr and gallente FW fleet taking out a titan and escort smartbomb fleet followed by the fleets reinforcements.

oddly enough the FW that got the kills are called noobs yet they are the ones that took down a titan and more before the enemy fleet got a reinforcement fleet

I am?
Is this the standings bug of the forum ...
... or do I have a fan in your alliance? *snickers xD*

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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#17 - 2014-10-13 22:16:39 UTC
Kazekage Dono wrote:

So yeah my question, is there a counter?


- Don't warp directly gate-to-gate (if in low hp ship or pod)
- Make tactical BMs above likely smartbomb gates
- Avoid common locations like Rancer
- Use a scout
- Everyone on the Domi!

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Netan MalDoran
Cathedral.
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2014-10-14 00:07:30 UTC
1) Follow everyone's advice on avoiding them.
2) If you REALLY want to try and take them out, then maybe try and snipe them at 200km with a few Nagas?

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-10-14 01:48:38 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kazekage Dono wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
You alone?
You can't.


Why do you ask?


Well cause it's not very balanced that 1 pilot can well ... be unaffected by 1 other pilot or 2 probably allot more as well.

The smartbombs or gatecamping isn't the issue. It's that warp core stabs don't affect smartbombs in any way really.


Two words

Heavy interdictor.

Seriously though, if you can't think of this yourself, you deserve to lose stuff.


Beat me to it, a single heavy interdictor can prevent them from warping, and with a reasonable fit, kill them before their gate aggression fades, depending on their fit. With the addition of gate guns shooting them, you don't need to pack that much more damage to break through, given that they are fit to tank the guns, but are relying on their warp core stabs, and local intel (watching for blobs) to get away. Another option is to fit multiple scrams; 2 will catch many of the smartbombers, VERY few will have more than 5 WCS so you could go with 3 scrams just to be safe. Orbit them at around 9km, and you'll be out of range of anything but officer smartbombs.
Decian Cor
Stronghelm Corporation
Solyaris Chtonium
#20 - 2014-10-14 02:22:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Decian Cor
Solecist Project wrote:


and smartbombs themselves are seriously underpowered,
because the only ships they're really viable on to use are battleships.

And that makes them horribly inefficient, unless you fit officer type smartbombs ...



Can confirm, smartbombs on battleships are horribly inefficient.
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