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First Arek'Jaalan Symposium : Restructuring & Leadership - YC116-YC117

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Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
#21 - 2014-10-15 11:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Gehen Sealbreaker
It's good to see this getting some momentum.

First, I'm happy to see Morwen Lagann, Valerie Valate and Esna Pitoojee ready to take or confirm the lead in their respective divisions, and approve of this without hesitation.
In the same vein, I would like to propose myself to take lead in the Multidisciplinary division (Unless Akasha Prime is still active and willing to take this position?). It was always the division I was the most involved into, my project was under it's responsibility, and I maintained a good think tank on astrophysics through my corporation.

Coming back to the matter at hand:

I would like to reiterate here the important idea that Arek'Jalaan must not become a formal alliance or corporation, in CONCORD's sense of the word. This would expose us to formal war declarations, and, as Dr. Valate already mentioned, individuals need extra room.

My idea for a renewal of Arek'Jalaan would be this:


  • We keep the existing divisions (almost all of them, more on that later).
  • Each division is either a Research Division (blue in the next diagram), or an Administrative Division (red in the next diagram).
  • Each division will have a Division Leader (and a Substitute, to act in his or her place when unavailable for critical periods of time.)
  • Decisions regarding Arek'Jalaan as a whole will be taken by a Council of the Division Leaders, with a majority of 2/3.
  • The Arek'Jalaan Council will have a Chairman, designed by its members, who will be in charge of leading the Council's discussions, and in general, act as an embodiment of Arek'Jalaan for any action requiring a specific person.
  • Every Division Leader will become Chairman, this position being passed every month to the next Division Leader.
  • Mandates of the Division Leaders (and Substitutes) should be renewed at the Division's members discretion. Terms should be kept long enough to be meaningful. (A year ?)
  • Division Leaders are encouraged to consult their Division Members when possible and needed, but may take decisions on behalf of their Division without concentration, without any penalty other than a lower chance of reelection for a later term.
  • Division Leaders will be in charge of establishing or maintaining any communication medium for their Division internal discussions, as before.


Here, a diagram.

Concerning the Divisions:

I am rather opposed to the creation of an "Internal Security" division, mentioned earlier. This should already be quite in the realm of the Security Division.

In a more general way, I think we should cut down on the existing divisions. Recenter our forces, after the bleeding of brains we suffered, and, in the organization presented above, this will give us less Division Leaders, for a more efficient Council.

Research Divisions:

  • Sleeper Technology and Sleeper History should be merged, IMHO.
  • Same goes for Talocan History and Talocan Technology.
  • Rogue Drones remains unchanged.
  • Ancient Races remains unchanged.
  • Multidisciplinary remains unchanged, although maybe a name change could be useful.


Administrative Divisions:

  • Acquisition remains unchanged, and will continue to manage mobile assets.
  • Security remains unchanged.
  • The Ethics Committee remains unchanged.
  • Archiving and Documentation absorbs Media Relations & Information Dissemination.
  • Multidisciplinary remains unchanged, although maybe a name change could be useful.
  • Logistics & Administration is disbanded, it's responsibilities shared between Acquisition and the Council.


This gives us 10 Divisions, a Council of 10 people will already be hard enough to manage. 7 votes would be required for a motion to pass.

This vision is very clear for me, but please give me your feedback, or feel free to take it as a starting point and iterate.

(Edit: As far as the "Who" question goes, besides my own candidacy to the role of Multidisciplinary Division Lead, and the approval of my other "re-emergent colleagues", I have no recommendations. I would be very happy to see former Division Leads coming back, especially those who held delicate positions, such as the Antiquarian. If they do not want to be involved again, replacements can be selected by us as a whole once we have our structure defined.)
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#22 - 2014-10-15 14:01:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Naraish Adarn
I'm willing to offer my support and services to security arm of A'J as i did during construction of Antiguus and when there were active threaths towards the project.

As for the security while details should remain with in the security should be as transparent as possible to other arms of the project. Also i have no objections on having ms. Siikanen as security lead instead of mr. Caine as she possesses much better reputation and standing among capsuleers and has less subversive reputation than mr. Caine
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#23 - 2014-10-15 15:00:37 UTC
+1 to everything Gehen Sealbreaker said. Also if we need a division head for Sleeper Research, I'll be happy to take the position.
Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#24 - 2014-10-15 16:42:47 UTC
Naraish Adarn wrote:
Also i have no objections on having ms. Siikanen as security lead instead of mr. Caine as she possesses much better reputation and standing among capsuleers and has less subversive reputation than mr. Caine


Quite a subjective statement.
Are you sure you're suitable for this scientific endeavour?

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master

Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#25 - 2014-10-15 17:45:56 UTC
Karynn Denton wrote:
Naraish Adarn wrote:
Also i have no objections on having ms. Siikanen as security lead instead of mr. Caine as she possesses much better reputation and standing among capsuleers and has less subversive reputation than mr. Caine


Quite a subjective statement.
Are you sure you're suitable for this scientific endeavour?


I admit that my opinion is colored by personal experience with both of them and based on that experience i find Mr. Caine and his associates in Stillwater to be subversive as well as i dont have high opinion of Angel cartel either.
My skills are more in security and combat as well as reconnaissance as recent addition rather than scientific in nature but i'm wiling to use those skills if needed for A'J regardless who is going to be chosen as head of security.
Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#26 - 2014-10-15 21:12:34 UTC
I am letting all forum participants that the debate will be extended for another 11 days per our earlier announcement (2 week period).

Please continue to list your ideas, make recommendations, and solicit opinions. I am gathering, summarizing, and detailing proposals, objections, and will be sharing the summary of discussions at the end of this part of the symposium, as well as at the second part of the symposium which will include the voting call.

Finally, voting in the second part of the symposium on your proposals will be done via open ballot. If you have objections to this, please outline them and present new (and reasonable) options.

Thank you.

Joe TheMachine - Interim Symposium Organizer
Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
#27 - 2014-10-16 05:50:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Gehen Sealbreaker
Naraish Adarn wrote:
Karynn Denton wrote:
Naraish Adarn wrote:
Also i have no objections on having ms. Siikanen as security lead instead of mr. Caine as she possesses much better reputation and standing among capsuleers and has less subversive reputation than mr. Caine


Quite a subjective statement.
Are you sure you're suitable for this scientific endeavour?


I admit that my opinion is colored by personal experience with both of them and based on that experience i find Mr. Caine and his associates in Stillwater to be subversive as well as i dont have high opinion of Angel cartel either.
My skills are more in security and combat as well as reconnaissance as recent addition rather than scientific in nature but i'm wiling to use those skills if needed for A'J regardless who is going to be chosen as head of security.


This is going to devolve quite fast, I think.
I am not the Symposium moderator, and every contribution is welcomed, but perhaps we should postpone discussions regarding contested vacant Division Leader seats to later?
After all, there will be a head of Security if something more or less the vision I exposed is put into place... But someone else might make a proposal where there is no formal Security Division. The question of who is going to lead it would then be moot.

In case someone would like to point out that I contributed exactly to that slightly off-topic discussion earlier, please keep this in mind.

Coming back to the point, and regarding the debate at hand, I think the model I exposed earlier lacks proper rules to determine who is going to lead a Division. I will propose some later if no-one has, but I would prefer this to be a collaborative work.

On a side note, I came back to New Eden's central regions from my corporation's research facilities yesterday, and will remain around Eram - and Antiquus - if some old friends (or possibly new ones) want to meet face to face.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#28 - 2014-10-16 07:42:30 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
If we're going to have pirates doing our security, at least get Vincent Pryce.


And this is exactly why we need a Security division, Internal Security inculded. I mean, besides people already using such slurs on page one.

I suppose you're quick to forget the primary concept of Arek'Jalaan involves anyone wishing to help in the effort, regardless of their political affiliation. It's as much as your security as anyone else's wishing to get involved.

Regardless, Ms. Riordan, since I don't recall you or your associate being the part of the first Arek'Jalaan session 3 years ago unlike myself, who has spent some time with its Security Department, I'd advise you to keep to things you know better. Oh, and the head of the Ethics Committee was an Angel too, just thought I'd mention that.

I'm afraid I have all the qualifications for the position, so unless you have something more concrete than trying to discriminate me regarding my political allegiences... Please, just stop. It's casting a bad light on our whole project.

I'll start composing something in the upcoming hours and contact Ms. Kalaratiri and Ms. Siikanen so we can hopefully put things into motion with as little difficulties as possible.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#29 - 2014-10-16 11:21:58 UTC
I will be only too happy to work with you both on this.

Sounds like a joke.

Two Angels and a Sebiestor Shaman walk into a bar...

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Anslo
Scope Works
#30 - 2014-10-16 12:14:12 UTC
How about I head your little security **** show? Heh.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

San Ghasha
#31 - 2014-10-16 13:38:39 UTC
So is this just a group of people that wish to research sleepers more? The original post assumes a certain level of name recognition.

لسلام عليكم

Anslo
Scope Works
#32 - 2014-10-16 13:50:21 UTC
San Ghasha wrote:
So is this just a group of people that wish to research sleepers more? The original post assumes a certain level of name recognition.

Heya San.

Basically AJ was a project way back when where this scientist had taken a few goodies and information and started this project up to study Sleepers more. The guy vanished though. There's a station somewhere that the project did it's thing at, I forget the system. I was there to help set the thing up!

Anyway, with the Sleepers doing some wibbly wobbly stuff, people are trying to restart the project, but are already bickering about who should do what because so and so has this reputation or that reputation. That's why I threw my name into the ring. It either shows how much of a farce this'll be (i.e. popularity contest), or it'll get something done.

At everyone else, I'm waiting for the concurrence or flaming from me offering to be security head, unless you all wanna keep bitching at each other. In which case, I'll write all this **** off and sit back to watch the fireworks.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

San Ghasha
#33 - 2014-10-16 13:54:16 UTC
Anslo wrote:
San Ghasha wrote:
So is this just a group of people that wish to research sleepers more? The original post assumes a certain level of name recognition.

Heya San.

Basically AJ was a project way back when where this scientist had taken a few goodies and information and started this project up to study Sleepers more. The guy vanished though. There's a station somewhere that the project did it's thing at, I forget the system. I was there to help set the thing up!

Anyway, with the Sleepers doing some wibbly wobbly stuff, people are trying to restart the project, but are already bickering about who should do what because so and so has this reputation or that reputation. That's why I threw my name into the ring. It either shows how much of a farce this'll be (i.e. popularity contest), or it'll get something done.

At everyone else, I'm waiting for the concurrence or flaming from me offering to be security head, unless you all wanna keep bitching at each other. In which case, I'll write all this **** off and sit back to watch the fireworks.


Understood, thank you for the background.

لسلام عليكم

Anslo
Scope Works
#34 - 2014-10-16 13:59:16 UTC
San Ghasha wrote:
Anslo wrote:
San Ghasha wrote:
So is this just a group of people that wish to research sleepers more? The original post assumes a certain level of name recognition.

Heya San.

Basically AJ was a project way back when where this scientist had taken a few goodies and information and started this project up to study Sleepers more. The guy vanished though. There's a station somewhere that the project did it's thing at, I forget the system. I was there to help set the thing up!

Anyway, with the Sleepers doing some wibbly wobbly stuff, people are trying to restart the project, but are already bickering about who should do what because so and so has this reputation or that reputation. That's why I threw my name into the ring. It either shows how much of a farce this'll be (i.e. popularity contest), or it'll get something done.

At everyone else, I'm waiting for the concurrence or flaming from me offering to be security head, unless you all wanna keep bitching at each other. In which case, I'll write all this **** off and sit back to watch the fireworks.


Understood, thank you for the background.

No problem San! Hope life in the pod is treating you well~

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#35 - 2014-10-16 14:32:23 UTC
If you want to visit the Arek'Jaalan station, it's in the Eram system. You can even access all the research data there & download copies of it on your ship for later reading!


On this revivification of Arek'Jaalan, I'm curious how it'll go. I missed out on it's original incantation as I was occupied in the fight against Nation back then. A few cross-over projects did help us in learning more of Sansha's wormhole tech. I did enjoy reading about the various research reports & it's results.

If this project successfully rises up, I would like to participate as media outlet, mainly running publications on the various Arek'Jaalan projects. This would help raising awareness across the cluster for the renewed Arek'Jaalan project.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#36 - 2014-10-16 14:41:59 UTC
"Greetings everyone. To better phrase what my employer is stating, we Scope Works would be pleased to offer security services to assist in revitalizing the Arek'Jaalan Project to its full potential. However, we are somewhat limited in presence due to security status issues, which are now being dealt with by a vast majority of our members and diplomats. However, should we be selected, we will require an exact outline of requirements on our part. For example, deployment areas, times, sizes, tasks such as guard duty, etc, for our expeditionary units to be fully effective.

Should you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact either myself, or our CEO, Anslo Tetua.

Regards,

Avio Yaken
Operational Branch
Scope Works

(.___________________________________________.)/

Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#37 - 2014-10-16 18:52:19 UTC
I believe my extensive knowledge of synthetic psychology and anthropology would be very useful to this project. Rogue drones and Sleepers are ever-present dangers in the cluster, and we can neutralize these threats only if we understand them as well as we understand ourselves. If I am needed, I will serve.
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#38 - 2014-10-16 20:18:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Odelya d'Hanguest
In the Name of the Lord


Arek'Jaalan is a coalition of aggressive fanatics. It has been founded by a State defector, is settled in Minmatar space, and run by criminals. All this talk of a “collaboration of the races, ‘empires’, and capsuleers” and “scientific advancement” is just a pretext to mislead and corrupt the faithful.

Regards
Odelya d’Hanguest, Begum etc. pp.
Anslo
Scope Works
#39 - 2014-10-16 20:32:19 UTC
No one cares.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#40 - 2014-10-17 11:23:32 UTC
Anslo, I have spent much of my life in Eram, and have 20 + years of experience working in internal security, specifically during my time with the RSS. Mr. Caine and Ms. Kala both have rather unique talents and connections which are well suited to the security division, their allegiances aside. May I ask what you intend to bring to the table? Last I knew, you were quite the geneticist and physician, perhaps your talents might best be applied in another department?

None of this is intended to flame or denigrate, in any way. I am just asking. Your purpose seems to be "I want to see the fireworks from up close, but if i can't, I'll see them from afar".

Not the best way to begin one's resumé.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis