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When do the requests for nerfs stop?
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Iain Cariaba
#1 - 2014-10-10 18:51:28 UTC
I've asked this a few times in F&I, but for some odd reason, no one has answered me.

When do the constant requests for nerfs, be it cloaking, ganking, whatever, stop? When will you finally be able to look at EvE as the cold game it is, and just play without asking for something to be changed because a game that's supposed to be hard is actually hard?

Maybe GD might provide answers, or maybe not. Either way, the trolls and tears will be entertaining from this thread, at least until it gets locked. Twisted
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2014-10-10 18:53:24 UTC
Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied,
no one wants to admit to themselves they are either.
Hence the whinging.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2014-10-10 18:55:29 UTC
The nerfing shall continue until morale improves.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
flakeys
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-10-10 18:55:36 UTC
The answer is simple , what is a benefit to one is an obstacle to others and as people can request obstacles to be removed there will never be an end to these ''requests'''.


People complain about the weather every day and that is something no one can change so go figure .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#5 - 2014-10-10 19:03:12 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
I've asked this a few times in F&I, but for some odd reason, no one has answered me.

When do the constant requests for nerfs, be it cloaking, ganking, whatever, stop? When will you finally be able to look at EvE as the cold game it is, and just play without asking for something to be changed because a game that's supposed to be hard is actually hard?

Maybe GD might provide answers, or maybe not. Either way, the trolls and tears will be entertaining from this thread, at least until it gets locked. Twisted



You know this is a rhetorical question right? Because we know the answer (never).

Some tings need nerfing or buffing sometimes sure. Some things need to change sometimes. Not everyone who suggests a change (or suggest not changing something) has a bad agenda.

BUT it's also true that a LOT of the 'nerf requests' come when someone is handed a defeat (and thus a blow to their ego) and feel like any defeat of their awesome selves must indicate a problem with the game lol.

There was one former poster (who will not be named but who damn near all of you will know who it is in about 3 seconds) who ran to the forums EVERY.SINGLE.TIME something didn't go right for him in the game. Like shooting a poco and not being able to kill it with his isboxer gang because of timers (making all timers evil. Or how several times he warped in on someone in a null belt who was just warping off (alerted by local) made local a thing that needed to go. You know, an 'Infinite' amount of things wrong with the game that incidentally only became problems when they stopped HIM from winning Infinitely ... Twisted
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2014-10-10 19:28:52 UTC
If something is successfully used against you, it is clearly overpowered and requires a nerf.

If you use something successfully to your advantage, its clearly underpowered and requires a buff.



Thus, the circle of life is maintained. Cue the music and the reckless dangling of a cub over a cliff.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-10-10 19:31:17 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:


If you use something successfully to your advantage, its clearly underpowered and requires a buff.


But...But your name!

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-10-10 20:02:22 UTC
when the game is completely perfectly balanced

this is a stupid question, really, "hard" is not an excuse for unbalanced because after all using something unbalanced makes the game easy
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#9 - 2014-10-10 20:11:12 UTC
The answer is never.

Because if they 'fix' afk cloaking today, then people will whine about something else. They fix that, they whine about something else.

Look at the current release model, people whined about ccp not finishing things and leaving stuff broken. CCP goes ok, we will fix that stuff and put new things on hold.

Then people whine about no new stuff just fixes...

Then people whine the power projection needs to be nerfed. So CCP goes to nerf it and people whine "not that way!" or "That's too much!"

People while that pos' suck, so ccp says 'over the next 18 months we will address this" so people then ***** about sov, don't fix pos' fix sov.

Its the song that never ends... it goes on and on my friends...

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#10 - 2014-10-10 20:24:09 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
The answer is never.

Because if they 'fix' afk cloaking today, then people will whine about something else. They fix that, they whine about something else.
This.

People will still AFK, just in different ways. Then we will see the rise of yet more whine threads on the subject.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#11 - 2014-10-10 22:08:58 UTC
They never will, and so we must keep on killing more carebears.

It's the circle of life.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-10-10 22:13:59 UTC
DaReaper wrote:

Because if they 'fix' afk cloaking


They're somewhat fixing afk cloaking by nerfing jump drives. The biggest threat from afk cloaking wasn't the cloaked ship itself, it was the fleet that could cyno into it.
Solecist Project
#13 - 2014-10-10 22:30:05 UTC
Let me ruin this thread ...

Suicide ganking is a horrible game mechanic and should be removed. It can't be that people who are clearly CRIMINALS can freely move around in highsec and dock in highsec stations while at the same time being shootable by everyone! Even CONCORD agrees and comes hunt them whenever they undock, so there's something completely wrong with this mechanic! If CCP was smart, they'd remove this completely and there would be far more people staying in this game! It's these griefers who harass others and do not tolerate their playstyles who make people unsub in masses! Why does CCP constantly give in to the whining minority of people? Statistics show that 75% of all people do not wish to engage in PvP!! It makes no sense! Why does CCP want to kill off their own game ????

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#14 - 2014-10-10 22:31:12 UTC
*kinks*

*drops microphone*


*walks off stage*

(:
:)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-10-10 22:33:51 UTC
Carebears should calm down. It's just a game!
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-10-10 22:35:51 UTC
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
DaReaper wrote:

Because if they 'fix' afk cloaking


They're somewhat fixing afk cloaking by "nerving" jump drives. The biggest threat from afk cloaking wasn't the cloaked ship itself, it was the fleet that could "Cyrano" into it.


^ ^
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Here is a example how the circles work!Idea
Solecist Project
#17 - 2014-10-10 22:39:21 UTC
What also really needs to be nerfed is mining. And by mining, I mean everyone else. Not my own mining. The sole reason why mining doesn't bring in more profit comes from the fact that others are mining too! Why isn't this obvious to CCP? If they nerfed everyone elses ability to mine, then mining would clearly be way more profitable and people would stop whining about it!

Hell, why am I not game designer???

I would like to have the name CCP StarScream!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#18 - 2014-10-10 22:43:14 UTC
Wait, there's more!

We also need a nerf to posting! What would really improve the forums a lot would be a nerf to posting frequency. If everyone would be able to post only every seven minutes ... not five, four or eight ... exactly seven minutes ...

... that's 450 seconds you math geniuses ...

... then the quality of posts on the forums would increase dramatically!

People would have to SIT AND WAIT until they can post again and their rage would go NOWHERE. They would have to contain it! Just THINK ABOUT THIS! And not only that, it would remove a huge amount of people who just constantly keep eating bait, because this timer would make their freaking heads EXPLOOOODE!!!!!

Just THINK ABOUT THE NEW PLAYERS!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#19 - 2014-10-10 22:45:49 UTC
I'm sorry, but this thread is simply asking for it.

I could go on and on and on ... like how ninja salvaging needs to be nerfed, because WHY IN FREAKING FROZEN HELL are people allowed to warp into MY mission and steal MY wrecks?? They're white! They're yellow to him! Clearly they are MY wrecks! A salvager should at least create a SUSPECT timer! If it was for me, I would make them all go CRIMINAL and CONCORD should WTFBBQROFLSTOMP all over these BASTARDS who steal MY valueable SALVAGE that I want to sell on the market!!

Oh the market!! If CCP nerfed the other peoples ability to sell stuff on the market, prices wouldn't be SO FREAKING LOW! People could actually make MONEY in this freaking game!!!

HELL, THINK OF THE NEW PLAYERS !!!!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#20 - 2014-10-10 22:49:19 UTC
I feel like there's this huge flood of bullshit I kept reading over the last five years ...
... and now it's just all coming up ..................................

.................... like ....................


They nerfed destroyers by making them shoot faster! In reality this never was about removing the RoF nerf, but about influencing the market for ammunition! What they really did was making ALL THE SMALL AMMO MORE EXPENSIVE! Clearly a nerf to all wallets everywhere! Isn't it insane?? CCP IS KILLING THEIR GAME!


AFK Cloaking is fine, though. But I believe there should be only one ship allowed to be cloaked per system, which obviously would be mine. That way, I can have my isboxed fleet of afk cloaking ships gank several targets at once in several different systems, while I am not even at the keyboard. Oh and CCP should clearly ban isboxer ... but only for everyone else!


Thanks, I'm done!


*kinks*

*drops headset with microphone attached*


*walks out of the theathre*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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