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Cloaked ships decloaking each other

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Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-10-10 18:12:29 UTC
bug or nerf?

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.

xttz
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2014-10-10 18:56:11 UTC
Nerf.

They said bombers were getting a rebalance, and this hits isboxer bomber alts squarely.
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-10-10 19:02:33 UTC
WTF is with everyone whining about ISBoxer

HTFU and deal with it

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.

Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#4 - 2014-10-10 19:14:04 UTC
xttz wrote:
Nerf.

They said bombers were getting a rebalance, and this hits isboxer bomber alts squarely.


And based on the posters in the reddit thread, it hurts non-isboxer bombers more than isboxer bombers.
Fluoroantimonicacid
Nullbear Tear Extractors
Hostile Intervention
#5 - 2014-10-10 19:18:04 UTC
Gospadin wrote:
xttz wrote:
Nerf.

They said bombers were getting a rebalance, and this hits isboxer bomber alts squarely.


And based on the posters in the reddit thread, it hurts non-isboxer bombers more than isboxer bombers.


As an isboxer, i think this change is awesome. Nobody will expect bombing runs anymore... until it is too late.
Current Habit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-10-10 21:20:21 UTC
Bombing (that's the #1 thing affected by this change) should be somewhat difficult and it should especially be harder to multibox bombers than have individual pilots fly them.

Right now there is no reason to prefer actual people over multiboxed accounts and this change would worsen the problem
fox targaryen
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-10-10 21:38:18 UTC
RIP real bombers

this is not a nerf to ISBoxing at all
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#8 - 2014-10-10 22:02:45 UTC
So, where is there a dev post stating this was intentional?

Also, this hardly hurts ISBoxing (which I really have little issue with).

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

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Chalithra Lathar
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#9 - 2014-10-10 23:11:35 UTC
Was thinking about resubbing the alts to put them in bombers, will have to wait and see how this pans out.
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#10 - 2014-10-10 23:28:54 UTC
Basically, unless it was mentioned as being intended, or until it is mentioned as intended, treat it as a bug and report it as such.

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

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Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-10-11 04:46:06 UTC
If you want to nerf isboxer, ban it.
Khema Fera
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-10-11 04:57:30 UTC
Stop hating on isboxer. Anyway..
How does this benefit ISBoxers? It might make it a bit easier for them but they're now severely limited in the amount of bombers they can use. If they stagger each of them 2.1k (to be out of decloak range), the max you can have is.. 7 from 1 direction. Before you could have 20.
Oxide Ammar
#13 - 2014-10-11 09:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxide Ammar
If CCP stealthy nerfed cloaking each other back and never had the courage to write blog or reply to anyone and keep it silence and pass it through the expansion, that because they can't claim saying " we making stealth bombers decloaking each other because ISBOX fleets were too stronk". They can't talk about it,and they will never do. Unless you buff stealth bombers to absurd level to make up the loss of having big fleets decloaking each other..The entire ******* line now is going to drain. Thanks CCP and ISBoxers.

Lady Areola Fappington:  Solo PVP isn't dead!  You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.

Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-10-11 10:42:33 UTC
This is NOT an ISBoxer thread, take your whines somewhere else.

Was just looking for the answer to the OP:

Bugged or working as intended?

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.

Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#15 - 2014-10-11 11:34:06 UTC
I sure hope this is one of the insanely many bugs that have appeared now... You can't even see cloaked people in your fleet and you are supposed to avoid them >_>
Sbrodor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-10-11 11:52:53 UTC
i hope someone of ccp developing that will take time to read that.

IsBOX bomber runs are an anomaly and have to be cancelled.
But a multi boxer can set the warping default of every account to 3k 6k 9k 12k 15k 18j and then warp at 20 km from enemy and then warp at this pre-filled distance and avoid this with even more use intensive of isbox.

What this will kill are bomber wing based corp.
When someone can deploy 40 pilot with every frig V and covop V and bomb launcher t2 this is not a nerf. it sound like the destruction of whole months of work.
Training with combat probers bomber , having different warping , different wave for avoid each other destruction, use of lockbraker, use of void, work on fitting, work on warpout. These are path with long and intensive training for a corp and this patch will destroy and make impossible for real people to use them in wing.

We can deploy huge damage, is correct.
Is easy to do? no. The classic "0.0 f1 monkey" can do that? no. We did tons of hour of practice and discovered new , good, teniques. Random bomber wing usually wipe at 1st bubbler , at 1st sabre bubbling entire wing. They make each other bomb explode and minimize damage.

IF target is ISbox u do a huge collateral damage with no reason.

The famous bomber bar in eve are few, no more than a dozen, and i think this is a value eve online need to keep.
Random and inefficient bomber bar leave in field a lot of isk without any damage .
IF there are a dozen of incredibile fleet in eve online is a value for the whole community.
This is exactly the same point of nerving SMARTBOMB to headshot the ROOKS and KINGS.
95% of people can use smart bomb in inefficient, ineffective way and only 5% (RNK) can do the magic and i think is a value for the community having someone using in smart , magic way a module\ship.
This is the only different way to fight without the classic f1-anchor-follow primary.

Do u want reise the level of difficult?

make the bomb can tank only 5 other bomb, more waves, more coordination.
Let the bomb t1 load 1 bomb only and t2 only 2 so we need more covert transport for restock, more logistic difficult

hit directly is boxing but not real person with a passion in this way of fight. i think we deserve that.
xttz
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2014-10-11 11:58:17 UTC
Sbrodor wrote:
IsBOX bomber runs are an anomaly and have to be cancelled.
But a multi boxer can set the warping default of every account to 3k 6k 9k 12k 15k 18j and then warp at 20 km from enemy and then warp at this pre-filled distance and avoid this with even more use intensive of isbox.


If an isBoxer can do this, why can't real players?
Oxide Ammar
#18 - 2014-10-11 12:00:10 UTC
Thatt Guy wrote:
This is NOT an ISBoxer thread, take your whines somewhere else.

Was just looking for the answer to the OP:

Bugged or working as intended?


Stop being lazy and check it by yourself.

Lady Areola Fappington:  Solo PVP isn't dead!  You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.

Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-10-11 12:30:58 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Thatt Guy wrote:
This is NOT an ISBoxer thread, take your whines somewhere else.

Was just looking for the answer to the OP:

Bugged or working as intended?


Stop being lazy and check it by yourself.


idiot

I have checked it, if you could read I'm asking for a confirmation (something that only CCP can give).

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.

Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-10-11 13:03:09 UTC
x-post from the WH subforum:

INB4 CCP says "Hurrdurr Just because it's on SISI doesnt mean it's gonna be on TQ." I would like to respectfully point towards the completely stupid mass spawn distance changes that was found ON SISI without CCP letting us know, and was only acknowledged after people posted about it, and they made the exact same post there.
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