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Jacid
Corvix.
#1 - 2014-10-09 23:57:47 UTC
First a bit of clarity... This thread is not about if cloaking is good or bad but rather about the idea of cloaking as a topic in f&i. By all clockly threads being rule 17nd is this ccps way of saying they aren't willing to deal with an important issue. The binary nature of both cloaking and local chat diminishes the game. The very fact that these type of threads keep popping up sometimes from first time posters should be a sign that their is an issue
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-10-10 00:10:59 UTC
It's not that they don't want to do anything about it. The discussion has been played out in every form and fashion. The last thread that was open for a long period (couple months I believe) descended into trolling, flaming, insults, and was no longer a for discussion. That is the sad fate of every discussion on this topic. It's not worth keeping open till they are full and ready to deal with it.
Jacid
Corvix.
#3 - 2014-10-10 00:26:59 UTC
True but the fact that so many threads existist says that their is an issue and has been yet really hasn't been acted on or even discuessed. In my long time watching these the ads I haven't really seen anything about it from ccp on ideas / solutions.. I guess the question is.. is the issue something of importance to other people or is it just another captains quarter's
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-10-10 00:37:05 UTC
Simply because there is a previewed issue doesn't mean there is a balance issue. The same is true for high sec ganking and scamming.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2014-10-10 01:07:14 UTC
Jacid wrote:
True but the fact that so many threads existist says that their is an issue and has been yet really hasn't been acted on or even discuessed. In my long time watching these the ads I haven't really seen anything about it from ccp on ideas / solutions.. I guess the question is.. is the issue something of importance to other people or is it just another captains quarter's

no it doesn't, its just telling of the fact that most people hate psychological warfare.

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Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#6 - 2014-10-10 01:10:36 UTC
Sometimes the issue is one that is perceived. In other words: there is no real issue, just the one they think there is.

If people think there is an issue with cloaking, then the issue is one of perception. They need to think outside the box they have placed themselves in.

Maybe we need a thread about threads about cloaky threads? Lol

Cloaking is the closest thing to a "Pause Game" button one can get while in space.

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Behr Oroo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-10-10 02:09:27 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jacid wrote:
True but the fact that so many threads existist says that their is an issue and has been yet really hasn't been acted on or even discuessed. In my long time watching these the ads I haven't really seen anything about it from ccp on ideas / solutions.. I guess the question is.. is the issue something of importance to other people or is it just another captains quarter's

no it doesn't, its just telling of the fact that most people hate psychological warfare.


There is more to the cloak issue than just AFK camping though. There is an issue with cloaking. It's not a balanced mechanic.

Dont get me wrong. Cloaking is great, but it's by far one of the safest ways to fly in this game. Unless there is pilot error, there is little chance a cloaky can be engaged on if he/she doesnt wish to engage in a fight.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#8 - 2014-10-10 02:50:49 UTC
First off, cloaking is very balanced.

With the way local is now, you know they are there, most not where they are. They can't interact with anything while cloaked, and must decloak to directly affect anyone.

Second, give me your stuff/biomass.

Finally, inb4lock.

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Behr Oroo
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Caldari State
#9 - 2014-10-10 03:01:38 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
First off, cloaking is very balanced.

With the way local is now, you know they are there, most not where they are. They can't interact with anything while cloaked, and must decloak to directly affect anyone.

Second, give me your stuff/biomass.

Finally, inb4lock.


Yes. It's so balanced that there are hundreds of pages of people talking about how it's not. It's one of the most talked about items on the forums.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#10 - 2014-10-10 03:03:26 UTC
Also, reported for redundancy...

Again.

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Behr Oroo
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Caldari State
#11 - 2014-10-10 03:07:40 UTC
Of course. Why discuss a topic that people want to talk about. Let's push the topic over to a threat that's so off topic that no one reads it anymore. Guess that is an effective way of deflecting the topic.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#12 - 2014-10-10 03:19:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Behr Oroo wrote:
Jack Carrigan wrote:
First off, cloaking is very balanced.

With the way local is now, you know they are there, most not where they are. They can't interact with anything while cloaked, and must decloak to directly affect anyone.

Second, give me your stuff/biomass.

Finally, inb4lock.


Yes. It's so balanced that there are hundreds of pages of people talking about how it's not. It's one of the most talked about items on the forums.


This does not mean it is imbalanced.

If you look at the threads, for every person who thinks it is not balanced, there are many more saying it is with much more rationale.

It has been discussed to DEATH and then some. This is why they are locked, because there is LITERALLY nothing more to say on the matter that has not already been said a THOUSAND times.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#13 - 2014-10-10 03:31:28 UTC
Psychological warfare FTW.

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Behr Oroo
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Caldari State
#14 - 2014-10-10 03:36:55 UTC
I disagree.

Really it doesnt seem that anything gets discussed. Most of the time the thread goes.

"I dont like cloak"

"Youre a newb. Go away. We need tears, deal with it."

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Topic locked.

The problem is that now that cloak is in the game and has been for years. It has both useful uses and severe abuses.
For every balanced example, there are just as many unbalanced ones. Almost every character in the game uses cloak in some form. It is one the largest safety nets in the game.

I am not a fan of nerfing cloak, but having been on both sides of it. Cloaking is by far one of the easiest things in the game.

Topic is about if there is really an issue with cloaking or if its just a mental thing. Personally I think there is an issue, though I dont have any idea how to effectively change it.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2014-10-10 07:00:02 UTC
Reported for being redundant.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2014-10-10 07:03:51 UTC
Behr Oroo wrote:
Jack Carrigan wrote:
First off, cloaking is very balanced.

With the way local is now, you know they are there, most not where they are. They can't interact with anything while cloaked, and must decloak to directly affect anyone.

Second, give me your stuff/biomass.

Finally, inb4lock.


Yes. It's so balanced that there are hundreds of pages of people talking about how it's not. It's one of the most talked about items on the forums.


Not true...in fact a complete distortion.

There are hundreds of pages of people discussing if it is balanced or not. There is the pro side and the con side. The con's always say the same thing, "I can't counter them."

The pro side always says the same thing, "Local counters cloaks, you know they are there. And so long as the cloaking module is active no other modules can be used such as guns, scrams, hardeners, prop mods, etc."

That's it. All those threads and pages basically revolve around those two themes.

So the discussion is redundant and this thread should be locked.

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Jacid
Corvix.
#17 - 2014-10-10 07:41:38 UTC
Lets make the assumption that cloaking is balanced or at least has a counter to it.

If that’s the case is the current cloaking/local/ system the best it possibly could be or does it have room for improvement?

And if your balanced idea of cloaking/local system was implemented how much more fun would it make eve for you?

For my answers to the questions I would say it has room for improvement and the change i in-vision it would make the rest of eve space as fun or more fun than w-space.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#18 - 2014-10-10 07:44:08 UTC
Jacid wrote:
By all clockly threads being rule 17nd is this ccps way of saying they aren't willing to deal with an important issue.


I don't see it as being unwilling to discuss an issue but rather that to CCP this is very probably and rightly a non-issue.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#19 - 2014-10-10 09:46:38 UTC
This is neither a feature nor an idea i suggest you ask for it to be moved to the general discussion page

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Behr Oroo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-10-10 09:47:31 UTC
Samillian wrote:
Jacid wrote:
By all clockly threads being rule 17nd is this ccps way of saying they aren't willing to deal with an important issue.


I don't see it as being unwilling to discuss an issue but rather that to CCP this is very probably and rightly a non-issue.



That's just an assumption though. It's just as plausible to say that CCP isn't commenting cause they have no idea how to fix the issue.
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