Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They go unnoticed, and not only go they unnoticed or are simply ignored there. Some CFC people can tell you.

CCP Greyscale , CCP Seagull



Hello I am talking to you. You do realize people are now up in arms because a power projection nerf that doesn't hit everything is worthless. These special snowflakes that have slipped past the full scorn of the nerfbat will be abused beyond belief. If you do not think so I think you are gravely naive. With that said I am personally ok with them because I BELEIVE that the changes are only temporary till you get further along the roadmap. I really think you all have a well thought out plan and people havn't begun to see how things you have changed in the past year fit into the roadmap.


However I encourage you to please be more forthcoming on the roadmap. Let players know whats in the pipe. You don't have to give specifics or exact release dates "Work In Progress". Forgive me for pointing out that we as Eve players have been told so many times throughout the years that " we CCP will get to it". Now I think you are doing wonderful and have earned back most of my confidence in CCP. However , I am not sure the same can be said for a large part of the community. Things like Hilmars "players don't know best" or "18 months" spring to mind.


TL ; DR

Step up and Communicate.


♥ Manny

When I read of the upcoming changes I was so excited. On forums and over Comms you could feel the anticipation of changes this fundamental to the game. Chaos. Uncertainty. Vulnerability. Finally.

Skip forward to now and there is a deflation and concern that the Devs involved in these changes are going to bend to the overwhelming cries of the uninspired out there. It's a lot of pressure on you. Its almost instinctual now that no matter what you post, some ******* is going to threaten to unsub because of it. You could be turning the contents of the sandbox into golddust and still people will complain they dont like the color yellow.

Greyscale, your original changes were spot on. Null sec logistics, movement and resupply needed an overwhelming nerf. By reeling back those changes to something mediocre I dont think you will get the desired effect. I think you are underestimating the Eve communities ability to adapt to change and overcompensating (at the risk of actually creating content and instability) for forum whining that is based more on players ingrained conservatism or perhaps more sinister, the wish to protect their own income sources at the expense of the greater good and longevity of the game as a whole.

I ask you this again Greyscale. In the framework of the 4 listed points above, now that I can still logistically resupply my alliance with little to no risk, how does this fit into a vision of smaller entities, limited coalition spread and a populated, semi independent nullsec?

Humanity has always been dragged kicking, crying and screaming into the future by those brave enough to enact their vision. Don't ***** out on us now that you are so, so close.



EDIT: Also, this is the first time I have posted on the Eve-O forums in nearly two years. God, I feel dirty.

We would like nullsec to transition to a new status quo over time in as orderly a manner as possible, and maintaining as much of its current population as possible (or increasing it, obviously), while still actually achieving the new status quo. We're of the opinion that if we push the 5LY range through now, we'll lose a lot of nullsec players while they try to reach a new equilibrium, and it's possible that it would significantly reduce the carrying capacity of nullsec overall, which is not an outcome we'd be happy with.

This would have to be only against supers and capitals, as I can see HIC's being used to cause havic and could be worse then the asshattery with light interdictors and bubbling of stations and being able to re-dock immediately.

The part of this I dont see working, is if you have 20 supers on a gate with neuts, that hic wont be able to have his modules active for much of anything, and then there goes his tank and his point. Also who gets gate guns agro, does the hic get the agro because he agressed a super? if this is the case and you want gate to gate combat, then give the supers back their drones, or allow them to fit aka rapid light launchers or something to mix it up a little.

Also CCP greyscale one thought came up about supers and gates, I think the main problem people see is that you are going to have 200 man super fleets going gate to gate for lols. You should make the gate guns hit harder on capitals who choose to agro in lowsec, aka damage fit the class, also if the capital agro's on the gate, his other capital buddies should not be able to remote rep as he is flagged a criminal.

-BC

It's not a question of trust, it's a question of a) it's not immediately obvious that this will be particularly viable in practice, and b) if it is, we'll just nerf it. The goals of this change are pretty clear, and we're keen to follow up and ensure that we hit them over time.

+1 Great idea changing jump freighter jump range to 10ly

The Rorqual is used a lot in nullsec transport, for dropping control towers, fueling pos, and as an alternative logistical transport ship for those lacking the skills or isk for a jump freighter. It plays a vital role in current nullsec logistics at present. Therefore, I suggest that the rorqual should also have the 10ly range to enable it to continue its vital role in 0.0.

The only other suggestion I would make, is that 5ly is marginally short for reaching key logistics points that have stations to dock in. Several of the jump routes i have looked at are 5.1ly to 5.8ly. Therefore I recommend increasing maximum jump range of combat vessels to 6ly. This would still achieve the goal of reducing force projection, while keeping it reasonably painless to move combat ships over time when needed.

You clearly fail to read.

Greyscales statements imply that they don't care about anything else - they will nerf ANYTHING ppl use a lot just bc , well, they use it.

So, on a subcap level, why is the Ishtar still there then? This game is basically Ishtars Online for anything subcap.