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Dev blog: Upcoming Forum changes - Phase 1 of 2

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Noriko Mai
#181 - 2014-10-22 20:33:15 UTC
Salpun wrote:
Great plan.

The go to top arrow also does not show up right away after a post is applied.

Fun fact: It is not visible, but still there.
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Perkone
Caldari State
#182 - 2014-10-22 20:56:10 UTC
CCP raRaRa wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Why can't we have the actual timestamp of the posts displayed by default and the _____ minutes/hours/days ago displayed in the tooltip? Same information as we have now, just displayed differently.

I'll discuss it with the team tomorrow. I just really like timeago since it gives me rough time when a post was made, instead of having to look at numbers and figuring it out :) Is there any particular reason why people dislike timeago? Twitter, Facebook and many popular sites use it today.


One reason is precisely that to which you refer : having to look at number and figuring out.

Ex : posted 23 days ago vs an exact date. Is this "4 month ago" was posted before or after the release of June 13, 2014 ? Etc...

Past 60 min, I find it less intuitive
Oraac Ensor
#183 - 2014-10-22 23:02:45 UTC
CCP raRaRa wrote:
Twitter, Facebook and many popular sites use it today.

Further confirmation that I am correct to avoid both of those like the plague.
Leucy Kerastase
650BN
#184 - 2014-10-23 05:10:55 UTC
CCP raRaRa wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Why can't we have the actual timestamp of the posts displayed by default and the _____ minutes/hours/days ago displayed in the tooltip? Same information as we have now, just displayed differently.

I'll discuss it with the team tomorrow. I just really like timeago since it gives me rough time when a post was made, instead of having to look at numbers and figuring it out :) Is there any particular reason why people dislike timeago? Twitter, Facebook and many popular sites use it today.

My blog focuses on translating EVE related English stuff (mainly dev forum posts and dev blogs) into Japanese and when doing so I always include the original time stamp. I must say that I've come to find hovering over "time ago" each time I check date/time posted fairly bothersome. Rare case, I know but might as well have my voice heard.

It would be really nice if you could choose what to show from UTC (EVE time) / local time / relative time.

On a side note, please add "jump to first unread" button.
Rain6637
NulzSec
#185 - 2014-10-23 05:19:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Hey all,

I agree with the social media functionality you're going for, and the influences. mobile is definitely a thing.

Something I've always had difficulty with at the bottom of forum pages is navigating back to a section (such as EVE Information Portal). Specifically, clicking the section I'm currently browsing from the drop-down like this is unresponsive, and getting back to an overview of the section takes several actions such as using the Top button then selecting "EVE Information Portal" from the forum tree, or hitting back a few times... but I think you meant for the navigation function to be there in the drop-down.

o/



any chance you might include a "Post to Twitter" button? Could see that getting used, and not just by Dev types.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
#186 - 2014-10-23 05:39:15 UTC
Forum space back ground reset around down time to the sancha one.

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Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#187 - 2014-10-23 06:07:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Let's seeif that works ... it does. Do you see the missing space between "see" and "if"? These are 2 links and in the text editor I have a normal space between the two words, however, in the actual post, this space is removed for some reason. Only if I put a non-breaking space (Alt + 0160) in between the 2 links, the space appears (even 2 normal spaces are ignored). Only if I include the space in the url-tag, the normal space shows.

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Chirality Tisteloin
Zervas Aeronautics
The Bastion
#188 - 2014-10-23 08:04:56 UTC
Question Why is the short-cut link to the Devblog page hidden inside the Character dropdown menu? This doesn't make much sense to me and I was spending some time searching for it.
Idea I'd suggest this item to show up either as a tab next to DEV POSTS or in the EVE Universe dropdown.

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Lar Elinure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2014-10-23 08:26:15 UTC
CCP raRaRa wrote:
I'll discuss it with the team tomorrow. I just really like timeago since it gives me rough time when a post was made, instead of having to look at numbers and figuring it out :) Is there any particular reason why people dislike timeago? Twitter, Facebook and many popular sites use it today.


I find it easier to read the date because it gives me an idea when it was made during the day. If a post was made on afternoon it can be easily seen from the timestamp rather than working out what the time was 17 hours ago.

If I leave the house for 8 hours at 0800 and start reading the posts at 1600 the relative time doesn't still give me any additional information. If the timestamp is on my regional time or at least some easy to convert such as the UTC, the about 8 hours is as accurate as the hour where I dropped off reading. I can just start reading the posts made after 8 whereas with the relative time I need to guess how the time gets rounded and work from there.

Even further, should someone want to archive a post by screencapping, a solid date is way more convenient than "4 hours ago".

The relative time from post is great, but only for a few hours. After that it the convenience is lost.
Kirasten
Perkone
Caldari State
#190 - 2014-10-23 18:26:14 UTC
CCP raRaRa wrote:
Kirasten wrote:
Every time I open up the forums on my phone since the change the character select drop down box is on my screen covering up the forums and making me choose my character again and again. I was excited about the change, but this is making me miss the old forum.

Additionally, when I click a link with my finger, there is no way to tell if i clicked the correct link or perhaps the link adjacent to it.

What mobile device, browser and browser version are you using? Did you also encounter the clicking on links problem on the old forums? Please note that this is phase 1 which doesn't include the responsive design, which will be introduced in phase 2.


I did not have this issue with the old forums. I have an HTC Rhyme which runs on Gingerbread. I just use the supplied browser.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#191 - 2014-10-23 20:58:47 UTC
Please make the Mail and Notification icon orange again. This pale-white is absolutely not eyecatching and requires effort to see if there's a number or not. Used to be a lot better with the old, orange font color.

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Dwissi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#192 - 2014-10-23 21:39:56 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Please make the Mail and Notification icon orange again. This pale-white is absolutely not eyecatching and requires effort to see if there's a number or not. Used to be a lot better with the old, orange font color.


I wholeheartedly support this request

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TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2014-10-23 23:07:39 UTC
For the love of god please just add

background-attachment: fixed;


to your body CSS code. Do it now or I will will be forced to download some shady browser add-on to do it myself Straight

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Rain6637
NulzSec
#194 - 2014-10-24 03:16:59 UTC
hey guys, just a thought... you know how reddit has enhancement suite? what are the odds someone with chrome know-how could make something for EVE-O. funded by ISK (Do you know anyone who does these things, I do not).
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#195 - 2014-10-24 14:39:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sable Moran
CCP raRaRa wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Why can't we have the actual timestamp of the posts displayed by default and the _____ minutes/hours/days ago displayed in the tooltip? Same information as we have now, just displayed differently.

I'll discuss it with the team tomorrow. I just really like timeago since it gives me rough time when a post was made, instead of having to look at numbers and figuring it out :) Is there any particular reason why people dislike timeago? Twitter, Facebook and many popular sites use it today.


This is just my personal opinion but...

"[x] [timeunit] ago" is to me a very imprecise way of displaying data that by nature is accurate. I get the impression that the entity to whom the forum (or whatever) software belongs to doesn't really care for their customers. They're doing their work halfheartedly.

Twitter and Facebook are popular yes, but is the reason for their popularity the way they display timestamps? I don't think so.

How about this. Make a configuration option where the forum user can choose which way of presenting time is their preferred one a use that for the 'always shown' timestamp and use the other way for the tooltip. How does that sound?

Edit: After reading a few more posts in the thread I noticed this: "Posted: a day ago" That made me go LOL.

As far as I understand English language that alone is a rather vague time period. It can be used for a 12 hour period (for example from dawn till dusk) or for a 24 hour period. So when it says posted about a day ago what does that mean? 8 hour ago? 12 hours ago? 17 hours ago? 21 hours ago? 26 hours ago? What? This really is a bad way of displaying time. Please give us a choice to use the precise timestamp, thanks.

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TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2014-10-24 15:01:32 UTC
Sable Moran wrote:
CCP raRaRa wrote:
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Why can't we have the actual timestamp of the posts displayed by default and the _____ minutes/hours/days ago displayed in the tooltip? Same information as we have now, just displayed differently.

I'll discuss it with the team tomorrow. I just really like timeago since it gives me rough time when a post was made, instead of having to look at numbers and figuring it out :) Is there any particular reason why people dislike timeago? Twitter, Facebook and many popular sites use it today.


This is just my personal opinion but...

"[x] [timeunit] ago" is to me a very imprecise way of displaying data that by nature is accurate. I get the impression that the entity to whom the forum (or whatever) software belongs to doesn't really care for their customers. They're doing their work halfheartedly.

Twitter and Facebook are popular yes, but is the reason for their popularity the way they display timestamps? I don't think so.

How about this. Make a configuration option where the forum user can choose which way of presenting time is their preferred one a use that for the 'always shown' timestamp and use the other way for the tooltip. How does that sound?

Edit: After reading a few more posts in the thread I noticed this: "Posted: a day ago" That made me go LOL.

As far as I understand English language that alone is a rather vague time period. It can be used for a 12 hour period (for example from dawn till dusk) or for a 24 hour period. So when it says posted about a day ago what does that mean? 8 hour ago? 12 hours ago? 17 hours ago? 21 hours ago? 26 hours ago? What? This really is a bad way of displaying time. Please give us a choice to use the precise timestamp, thanks.


On a forum where I have yet to discover a way to set the timezone for myself I kind of like this better. In EVE I have no problem working with EVE time. On a forum it's a different story.

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Oraac Ensor
#197 - 2014-10-24 16:06:01 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
On a forum where I have yet to discover a way to set the timezone for myself I kind of like this better. In EVE I have no problem working with EVE time. On a forum it's a different story.

Despite CCP's constant desire to be different from everyone else, the obvious solution would seem to be a system in which users could set the time zone of their choice.

Y'know - like 99.999999999% of the rest of the Internet.
King Fu Hostile
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#198 - 2014-10-25 05:49:19 UTC
The top menu has stopped working. Clicking mail doesn't do anything. IOS Safari.
Rain6637
NulzSec
#199 - 2014-10-25 06:25:10 UTC
thinking in UTC/GMT is not a bad thing

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Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
#200 - 2014-10-25 19:08:15 UTC
Nice upgrade to forums. Now GM, CSM and ISD badges are working.

I'm still missing CSM and ISD badges at forum headline page. I could immediately see where CSM and ISD have made comments.

There could also be option to view DEV, GM, CSM and ISD posts in one row. Now I need to view them separately.

There could also be dislike button. You should keep likes and dislikes separate numbers. If someone raises lots of good and bad feelings in people receive lots of like and lots of dislikes. End result is not zero.

Allow placing likes (and dislikes) in closed thread.

Place bounty button would be nice in forums!

I have noticed that date and time has been removed and instead there is "3 days ago" or "7 months ago" type of marking. Could date and time be displayed after this "3 days ago" type of marking?

ISD and CSM badges could have different background color.

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