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training for big ships is a waste of time?
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#21 - 2014-10-09 18:58:51 UTC
Show us on the battleship doll where those ebil frigates touched you...






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Vyl Vit
#22 - 2014-10-09 20:01:05 UTC
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Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#23 - 2014-10-09 21:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
Shandra Manaya wrote:
I'm new to eve but one thing I noticed, if you take two frigates you can easy destroys a bs, which brings me a question, why train for large ships if small has a large advantage over them? even more in the case of ships that use missiles because whit just a few more m/s you already cancels more than 50% damage, if not more. i not surpise if a frigate alone can destroy one bs even if it takes time.as I am new to eve may be i having a wrong view of the matter ,and if someone can explain to me why to train for bigger ships I thank.


Yes it's a waste SOLO. Unless you are in a group. Then it's worth the time.

Also ever hear of drones? They murder frigates.

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-10-09 23:12:21 UTC  |  Edited by: BrundleMeth
Merovee wrote:
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-10-10 14:25:56 UTC
Yes, in fact, most pilots forget their skill queue altogether once they get those T2 guns for frigates. After all, frigates can kill anything.

Just stay focused on the small stuff. I'm 5 yrs in and still can only fly my T2 fit Merlin. Stay focused. Don't waste extra SP on all that other stuff that others wasted it on.. BS, Exhumers, capacitor or gunnery skills. ALL useless.
Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2014-10-10 14:39:34 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Part of the problem for newbies is mentality coming from other MMOG style games. They're expecting to see a "gear progression", in that as you level up, you get progressively better gear that obsoletes any of the old stuff you get. Along those same lines, anyone who's "leveled up" can ROTFLstomp a lower level person, PVP wise.

They tend to see the frig->dessy->cruiser->BC->BS progression as Eve's idea of "levels", and expect the same behaviour out of the ships that they'd get from say, leveling a warrior to 50 and getting a pwnsauce lvl50 sword.

Eve isn't like that. Each ship type has roughly defined roles, and all of those roles are useful, in one way or another, to overall PVP.

To be fair, the level I-II-III-IV-(V) mission progression tends to reinforce this idea. Burner missions may help break up this impression in the future, though.

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-10-10 23:34:36 UTC
Training for big ships is far from being a waste of time, but it's also far from being an I-win button. There's a vast divide between the two, and a lot of new players don't seem to realize it exists. Almost the entire game takes place inside that vast chasm.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#28 - 2014-10-11 03:24:12 UTC
It is important to have things like titans or other supercaps.

Vince draken's boys aren't gonna end anyone's 0.0 dream with just frigates, even after the nerfs to structures

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#29 - 2014-10-11 05:22:31 UTC
It's without a doubt a waste of time to train big ships. At least for me.

Although I do have a Sin pilot gathering dust somewhere, I have never really liked flying anything larger than a cruiser. Anything bigger is too slow and boring for me.

Mr Epeen Cool
Creamdream
Whatever Brah
#30 - 2014-10-11 13:40:49 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
It's without a doubt a waste of time to train big ships. At least for me.

Although I do have a Sin pilot gathering dust somewhere, I have never really liked flying anything larger than a cruiser. Anything bigger is too slow and boring for me.

Mr Epeen Cool


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Solecist Project
#31 - 2014-10-11 13:42:26 UTC
Creamdream wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
It's without a doubt a waste of time to train big ships. At least for me.

Although I do have a Sin pilot gathering dust somewhere, I have never really liked flying anything larger than a cruiser. Anything bigger is too slow and boring for me.

Mr Epeen Cool


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He does.

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... simply do not get it.

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Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#32 - 2014-10-11 14:09:58 UTC
you don't need to train for more than shuttles even
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-10-12 01:59:43 UTC
I always thought the game would be better with nothing bigger than a BS.

But then CCP needs to give them something to train for, so this is where we are:

Big Blue Doughnut of carebears scared to lose there big ships they trained for.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-10-12 02:00:52 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
you don't need to train for more than shuttles even


Then there are the more intelligent players.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-10-12 02:07:03 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
I always thought the game would be better with nothing bigger than a BS.

But then CCP needs to give them something to train for, so this is where we are:

Big Blue Doughnut of carebears scared to lose there big ships they trained for.

Eh? I get paid to lose those ships. Scared of what exactly?
Nevil Oscillator
#36 - 2014-10-12 07:28:59 UTC
A lot of the coolest ships are Frigates, wider variety, there is only two T1 destroyers for each faction I think. To get in a Battleship you need Spaceship Command 4 and Battle cruiser 3 before you can train Battleship 1.

I figure I will have a fair idea what a bigger ship is like by that time.
Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-10-12 22:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Solops Crendraven
Shandra Manaya wrote:
I'm new to eve but one thing I noticed, if you take two frigates you can easy destroys a bs, which brings me a question, why train for large ships if small has a large advantage over them? even more in the case of ships that use missiles because whit just a few more m/s you already cancels more than 50% damage, if not more. i not surpise if a frigate alone can destroy one bs even if it takes time.as I am new to eve may be i having a wrong view of the matter ,and if tion to ever wnt a bsomeone can explain to me why to train for bigger ships I thank.

its a Waste of Time and money CCP is in a need Of New business Model I understand they gotta pay the bills however Ive abandoned my multi accounts and ambitions to fly a Titan .Why buy a 1 Billion or more mill ship and skills. if a 1 mill blob of ships can do the same job. (BC,BS,CAPS, shouldn't cost more than 50mill in isk you would see more epic battles guaranteed.Instead my mach and bling bling ships are collecting dust because some V Master lone enyo will take it down and I don't wanna wait 2 years to become a master either.

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Hades Dark
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-10-13 02:14:50 UTC
To the OP, There isn't a yes or no answer, due each ship has different play styles and counters. Yes numbers can win however strategy, character skill level, fittings, experience, etc are all variables which most players do not take into account. Frigates can kill Battleships, however what is the role of a battleship? A battleship can kill frigates if it is fitted and its purpose is that. So its how you want to play the game and what style, fits you best when dealing with multiple variables in the game.
Nevil Oscillator
#39 - 2014-10-13 13:20:43 UTC
Bigger the ship the bigger the kill mail when you lose it, so long as you are ready for that you'll be fine.
Kuldrek Culduvere
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-10-15 06:58:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuldrek Culduvere
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Part of the problem for newbies is mentality coming from other MMOG style games. They're expecting to see a "gear progression", in that as you level up, you get progressively better gear that obsoletes any of the old stuff you get. Along those same lines, anyone who's "leveled up" can ROTFLstomp a lower level person, PVP wise.

They tend to see the frig->dessy->cruiser->BC->BS progression as Eve's idea of "levels", and expect the same behaviour out of the ships that they'd get from say, leveling a warrior to 50 and getting a pwnsauce lvl50 sword.

Eve isn't like that. Each ship type has roughly defined roles, and all of those roles are useful, in one way or another, to overall PVP.

To be fair, the level I-II-III-IV-(V) mission progression tends to reinforce this idea. Burner missions may help break up this impression in the future, though.



Kinda-sorta. I used to feel that way, too, with the "bigger is better for Level 4s..." Then I joined a corp that planned on going into WHs, so I started training up Tech II cruisers (unfortunately, RL stuff among the leadership kept us from doing the WH stuff), and I found out that except for the smaller tank, an Ishtar is just as good, if not better, for most Level 4s than a Domi. (Mainly because it has the same basic damage profile while having a faster lock time and a faster speed, which helps in the multi-room missions were the gates are 50-60 km away).
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