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Working in Spain

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2014-10-09 00:07:20 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Hello.

The reason i'm creating this topic is because of a job opportunity i might get in Fuengirola (30 km away from Marbella) in Spain at the end of this year where i have some questions about working in Spain.

Now you might think 'wtf, are NightmareX really gonna move from Norway to Spain to work there?'. Well yeah, we all knows that the jobs down in Spain these days (specially after the financial crisis back in 2007) aren't really that great. And i'm sure we all can agree on that. However, i might actually get me a job down there that actually are REALLY great.

Lets talk more about this job.

What makes this job so great is that i'm a Norwegian and the job down in Fuengirola is a Norwegian company. Because of that, i only have to speak Norwegian under the job there to (because we only assists Norwegian customers in Norway). That's not the only good thing with the job. The job also provides good payments, free place to live the first month (hostel) while i take the courses i have to take for the job that lasts for 1 month where i also get full payments under the courses to. On top of that, the company also helps me to get the residence & working permits and ofc health insurance via the job.

Now, i have been working for this company before here in Norway, so i might have a bigger chance of getting this job as the Sales Manager i had when i was working for them earlier was REALLY happy with my work there. So if the manager for the job in Spain calls him (as a reference), then he will say good words about me. And if that happens, i will get the job i'm sure.

If that happens, there will be some good things and it will be some bad things happening. Lets start with the bad things first.

1. I will be moving from the beautiful Norway to Spain (Fuengirola). Well, now Spain is pretty beautiful to, so i'm not really complaining Big smile.
2. I will go inactive in EVE for longer periods of times. No, i'm not quitting EVE. I'm just taking breaks, so you can't have my stuffs Blink.

Now to the good things.

1. I will work for a company i know it's good.
2. I will live in a place where i can escape snow and cold weathers, lol. The average temprature around the whole year in Fuengirola is @ 18 degrees celcius.
3. I will live close to 8 km of sandy beaches. Yeah, i wont be sitting inside the appartment playing games then.
4. Fuengirola is a tourist place, so there are tons of activities around the place.
5. I will get the oppoturnity to experience something new on how it is to live and work outside of Norway.

Now, i do have some questions for those who does knows alot about Spain though.

1. How much is the payment tax rate at?

In Norway it's at 36%.

2. How many work hours are the normal there?

In Norway it's 8 hours where 30 mins of that are for launch.

3. How much crime are there in Fuengirola?

4. How good is the health care there?

5. How much does a pretty good modern appartment there cost on average?

6. I'am crazy for moving all the way from Norway down to Fuengirola in Spain to work there Big smile?

I'm sure there are peoples here that are from Spain that can answer my questions here. So i'm just saying thanks in advance for answering them.

That was my questions so far. I might add new questions in a new post later if i have more question.

EDIT: As i'm living in Tromsø in Norway now, i found this webpage that compares prices on different things between different places. And the price differences from Tromsø (where i live) to Marbella (about 30 km away from Fuengirola) is insane to say it that way lol: http://tinyurl.com/oeo93wg

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Jace Sarice
#2 - 2014-10-09 00:36:17 UTC
Take each of your questions except for #6 and add "in Spain" to the end. Now, enter them one by one into Google.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2014-10-09 00:48:37 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Jace Sarice wrote:
Take each of your questions except for #6 and add "in Spain" to the end. Now, enter them one by one into Google.

Sure i can google it, but i want real answers on my questions and not some random answers from the web that are 5-6 years old. I have been looking through some appartments and such, but i'm not sure what good modern appartment is usually going for each months on average.

So that's why i rather want answers from peoples that are living there now that can give me more real numbers / answers.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-10-09 02:03:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Malaclypse Muscaria
1. How much is the tax rate at?

Starts at 24%, but the portions of your salary above certain thresholds, get higher tax rates: http://www.adandlaw.com/tramos-irpf-2014/


2. How many work hours are the normal there?

8 per day / 40 per week (according to the law). Breaks depend a lot on your company's culture: the traditional Spanish way is having a long lunch break (such as 1:30 - 2 hours), and then mid-morning / afternoon breaks to have an aperitivo or whatever. These good customs are being lost by modern companies with a more international outlook though.

But having worked both in Spain and in other countries, I can tell you Spanish workers slack and horse around *a lot* compared to our Northern neighbours, where no one seemed to be openly slacking off in the office (aside from people getting up and chatting a tiny bit with the excuse of fetching a cup of coffee).


3. How much crime are there in Fuengirola?

Spain is one of the safest countries in Europe, with a low crime rate that is actually getting even lower in the last years (despite the economic crisis).


4. How good is the health care there?

It's good, and "free".


5. How much does a pretty good modern appartment there cost on average?

Depends a lot where you get it of course, but in general quite cheaper than in other European countries. House prices have fallen a lot with the economic crisis.


6. I'am crazy for moving all the way from Norway down to Fuengirola in Spain to work there Big smile?

No. I've lived in other European countries, the US, and China, and despite Spain's many flaws, general unprofessionalism, incompetence and laziness, I find that the general quality of life is better than anywhere else I've been to - particularly if you enjoy having a more relaxed and hedonistic lifestyle. As well as the weather.


As to the economic crisis, it hit Spain pretty badly, since the whole country went crazy for the real-estate boom, and when that went bust I caught everyone with their pants down, and Spain went from having one of the lowest public debts in the world (around 40%), to above 100% in just a few years.

But things are changing now, Spain is having positive GDP growth again (doing better in this regard than other European countries), economic activity and prospects are picking up, foreign investment has come back now that the worst is over and everything is cheap, and unemployment is slowly starting to go down. So things are looking much better than a couple of years ago.

Down in the Costa del Sol you will mostly see foreigners and expats though P
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2014-10-09 10:02:58 UTC
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:
The answers..............

Wow, thank you for your answers man Big smile

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-10-09 11:41:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
whoa, you found employment in spain

enjoy the 30 days per year of legally mandated paid vacation time

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#7 - 2014-10-09 13:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
1. How much is the tax rate at?

VAT it's 21% for regular items and there is a reduced VAT of 10% for some essentials. Don't know how works income tax for expats...

2. How many work hours are the normal there?

Shops usually are open 8 to 14 and 16 to 20, roughly. Most office work follows a similar pattern (say, 8 to 13, then 16 to 19). Publi offices open usually 7 to 13. Banks open 7 to 14:00. But also depends on corporate policy.

There is a long break for lunch because of historical reasons: 70 years ago people used to double job, so they needed time to commute from one job to the other; FAI my grand-grandparent would work 6 to 13 in one job, then 15 to 20 in another... That shaped school times, shop opening hours, and so and so; thus, when workers started to afford to work just 8 hours a day in just one job (in the 70s), the lunch gap was there to stay.

3. How much crime are there in Fuengirola?

Low rates, frankly.

4. How good is the health care there?

There is good public health care, albeit it's been severely hit by cuts. I would advise getitng private health care for common diseases.

5. How much does a pretty good modern appartment there cost on average?

Dirt cheap. 6 to 9 euros per square meter and month should get you most of the market, unless you go for something luxurious. Make sure that it haves elevator and AC, though, as some of the housing down there is quite old.

6. I'am crazy for moving all the way from Norway down to Fuengirola in Spain to work there Big smile?

Absolutely not. I wouldn't live there, you know, because I feel my city (Barcelona) is hot enough, but scandinavian people use to love the stuff down there. It's very warm, sunny, cheap, people are nice and there's plenty of places to go out.

Quote:
EDIT: As i'm living in Tromsø in Norway now, i found this webpage that compares prices on different things between different places. And the price differences from Tromsø (where i live) to Marbella (about 30 km away from Fuengirola) is insane to say it that way lol: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Norway&city1=Tromso&country2=Spain&city2=Marbella&displayCurrency=EUR


Well, the prices there are quite realistic, at least the Marbella part.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2014-10-09 13:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
[i]5. How much does a pretty good modern appartment there cost on average?

Dirt cheap. 6 to 9 euros per square meter and month should get you most of the market, unless you go for something luxurious. Make sure that it haves elevator and AC, though, as some of the housing down there is quite old.

Quote:
EDIT: As i'm living in Tromsø in Norway now, i found this webpage that compares prices on different things between different places. And the price differences from Tromsø (where i live) to Marbella (about 30 km away from Fuengirola) is insane to say it that way lol: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Norway&city1=Tromso&country2=Spain&city2=Marbella&displayCurrency=EUR


Well, the prices there are quite realistic, at least the Marbella part.

For the question 5 i had there, i was more thinking on renting an appartment where i pay each months for renting it. As i don't need a big appartment, i think i found this one that is only like 600-700m from the job i might get: http://www.spainhouses.net/en/fuengirola/rent/flats/flat-rent-fuengirola_d1461955.html

Any words about that appartment?

For me it seems pretty good and at the same time is pretty cheap.

As for the price differences from Tromsø to Marbella, i do think the prices for Tromsø is pretty accurate to when i look at it under NOK currency. Hmm, even the crime rate in Marbella is much lower there than it is in Tromsø according to that web page to. Oh well, i'll guess that's just positive if i move there Big smile.

Now, i have 4 new questions about Fuengirola.

1. As it's a tourist place, is there any months where the place sees much lesser tourists than other months?

2. How is the party life in Fuengirola in the weekends?

Looking at this, it seems to be pretty cool Big smile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_eawI6WbV0

3. How hard is it to learn Spanish?

I'm asking as i will have the ability to learn it if i move down there to work.

4. I have heard that peoples down in the 'Costa del Sol' area is very friendly towards each others there. Is that the case there?

I believe it is as it's a nice tourist place.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2014-10-09 14:03:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
whoa, you found employment in spain

enjoy the 30 days per year of legally mandated paid vacation time

Hehe, it's not really that hard if you just have patience.

It's pretty funny though. I saw a documentary on YouTube from where some peoples was moving to Norway from Spain to find some jobs where they can have their new future in Norway. While tons of Spanish peoples are leaving their homes in Spain to find jobs outside of Spain, we from Norway are moving down there in droves to buy all of their houses lol.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#10 - 2014-10-09 17:03:36 UTC
Unless I remember it wrong Fuengirola also has a sizeable portion Finnish pensioner immigrants.

Well good luck OP: (gran canaria but who cares both have sun and hot chicks)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TqvpxuUBm0
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-10-09 17:33:18 UTC
nords coming to iberia to work and I want to go to nordlands to work there. hehLol


anyways, coming from a "neigbour", spain isn't bad. it might be quite good for a norsk too.

just be careful with summer, you guys aren't used to the temperatures we usually have here, moreso southern spainLol

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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#12 - 2014-10-09 18:07:18 UTC
went to fuerngarola for a week once on a wedding annivsarary don't remember that much about the place ..... I was drunk for most of it Cool....hope that helps Big smile

pleased I could contribute to the thread Big smileBig smile
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#13 - 2014-10-09 21:04:52 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
For the question 5 i had there, i was more thinking on renting an appartment where i pay each months for renting it. As i don't need a big appartment, i think i found this one that is only like 600-700m from the job i might get: http://www.spainhouses.net/en/fuengirola/rent/flats/flat-rent-fuengirola_d1461955.html

Any words about that appartment?


It doesn't haves AC (Air Conditioning). This means that in the summer you will come back home to meet temepratures up to 40ºC without any other cooling device than a fan... Blink

Tip: AC devices are valuable assets. They *always* can be seen in pictures when they are installed. No visible AC = 90% chance that there is no AC.

Also, location... it's at the outskirts. I would rather think about paying 600 euros and be dowtown with AC.

1. As it's a tourist place, is there any months where the place sees much lesser tourists than other months?

Well, winter is quieter, as most tourism are Spanish elder people (Fuengirola is a well known location for social tourism).

2. How is the party life in Fuengirola in the weekends?

Looking at this, it seems to be pretty cool Big smile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_eawI6WbV0

Heh, can't tell for sure, but going out to drink and chat with friends it's very usual, from the lowest scum (youngsters and teen practiccng "botellón" aka drinking in the street) to European people enjoying a country where acohol is cheap and they feel liberated form social norms... until hey find out that locals are not stupid, women are not easy and Police is sick and tired of dealign with drunk foreigners.

3. How hard is it to learn Spanish?

Well, it's not specially difficult to learn, but then it's a very rich language, and Spanish use it in very imaginative ways, so learning the wildly different meanings of certain words it's a hit and miss process. Also, down there at the south they have their own accent and sometimes it's almost uninteligible even to Spaniards... Lol

4. I have heard that peoples down in the 'Costa del Sol' area is very friendly towards each others there. Is that the case there?

Yes they are.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2014-10-10 01:35:28 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
For the question 5 i had there, i was more thinking on renting an appartment where i pay each months for renting it. As i don't need a big appartment, i think i found this one that is only like 600-700m from the job i might get: http://www.spainhouses.net/en/fuengirola/rent/flats/flat-rent-fuengirola_d1461955.html

Any words about that appartment?


It doesn't haves AC (Air Conditioning). This means that in the summer you will come back home to meet temepratures up to 40ºC without any other cooling device than a fan... Blink

Tip: AC devices are valuable assets. They *always* can be seen in pictures when they are installed. No visible AC = 90% chance that there is no AC.

Also, location... it's at the outskirts. I would rather think about paying 600 euros and be dowtown with AC.

Oh, in that case, i think this appartment would be perfect for me: http://www.spainhouses.net/en/fuengirola/rent/apartments/penthouse-apartment-rent-fuengirola_d1224558.html

Anything to add when it's about that appartment?

Now, i'm just looking at different appartments to see what kind of appartments that would fit me well if i move down there, so i know what i should look after.

And lastly. I forgot to say that the job is not only gonna get one into this job, but they are actually gonna hire in 3 peoples for this job. So because of that, i'm pretty sure i will get the job.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#15 - 2014-10-10 06:42:55 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
For the question 5 i had there, i was more thinking on renting an appartment where i pay each months for renting it. As i don't need a big appartment, i think i found this one that is only like 600-700m from the job i might get: http://www.spainhouses.net/en/fuengirola/rent/flats/flat-rent-fuengirola_d1461955.html

Any words about that appartment?


It doesn't haves AC (Air Conditioning). This means that in the summer you will come back home to meet temepratures up to 40ºC without any other cooling device than a fan... Blink

Tip: AC devices are valuable assets. They *always* can be seen in pictures when they are installed. No visible AC = 90% chance that there is no AC.

Also, location... it's at the outskirts. I would rather think about paying 600 euros and be dowtown with AC.

Oh, in that case, i think this appartment would be perfect for me: http://www.spainhouses.net/en/fuengirola/rent/apartments/penthouse-apartment-rent-fuengirola_d1224558.html

Anything to add when it's about that appartment?

Now, i'm just looking at different appartments to see what kind of appartments that would fit me well if i move down there, so i know what i should look after.

And lastly. I forgot to say that the job is not only gonna get one into this job, but they are actually gonna hire in 3 peoples for this job. So because of that, i'm pretty sure i will get the job.


That's an appartment I would OK after inspecting it. Very relevant the bit about heating A/C, as these beachside appartments often have liek zero thermal insulation and they can be pretty cold in the winter (at least, for Spanish standards... Lol)
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#16 - 2014-10-10 09:12:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
I can think about more bad things that can happen in Spain, there are common protests and if you will live in a bigger city, you will risk your car being burned or your office windows or trash cans broken. If you live in smaller community, there will be no such things, but with powerty comes crime, so there is bigger risk even in smaller communities. And one more thing, you will have to learn some spanish, as english is not common language is spain, ok maybe in business communities is, but not elswhere really.
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-10-10 15:32:56 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
I can think about more bad things that can happen in Spain, there are common protests and if you will live in a bigger city, you will risk your car being burned or your office windows or trash cans broken. If you live in smaller community, there will be no such things, but with powerty comes crime, so there is bigger risk even in smaller communities.


This is nonsense.


Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#18 - 2014-10-10 17:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
I can think about more bad things that can happen in Spain, there are common protests and if you will live in a bigger city, you will risk your car being burned or your office windows or trash cans broken. If you live in smaller community, there will be no such things, but with powerty comes crime, so there is bigger risk even in smaller communities.


This is nonsense.




I have read about some protests couple of days ago, so its not. Also there are terrorists in Spain, They have Catalonia problems and Basque country wants to be separate from Spain, this is a couple of serious problems. And this pickpocketing in Barcelona and Madrid, same as in Rome and Paris. You can live in a nice community, and not see everything, but the crime and problems are there.
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-10-10 17:34:06 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
I can think about more bad things that can happen in Spain, there are common protests and if you will live in a bigger city, you will risk your car being burned or your office windows or trash cans broken. If you live in smaller community, there will be no such things, but with powerty comes crime, so there is bigger risk even in smaller communities.


This is nonsense.




I have read about some protests couple of days ago, so its not. Also there are terrorists in Spain, They have Catalonia problems and Basque country wants to be separate from Spain, this is a couple of serious problems. And this pickpocketing in Barcelona and Madrid, same as in Rome and Paris. You can live in a nice community, and not see everything, but the crime and problems are there.


No, it's not, you are misinformed.

Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#20 - 2014-10-10 18:23:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Well, maybe statistics show just what people are willing to report, as mafia and drug dealers don't like to see people going to police stations to report them in Costa del Crime, that means also Fuengirola.
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