EVE General Discussion

In our search for the Golden Bar of Soap we have learned that only squeaky clean, best run POS towers have any chance of holding our precious.

To date, only two targets mounted a proper defense. Many old industry corps are just one player and their science/production alts.

From your comment and the one previous, they suggests that the one player industry corporation meta should die off as it is in the best interest of the game to have players keep what they can defend. I agree with this, my concern with capitals entering high sec is the change would make tower hits too easy and remove the incentive for industrialists heavily invest in their space castle.

No, but the fact that caps will be able to use gates AT ALL brings the matter to mind, and hence people are exploring it.
One thing to always keep in mind: Allowing Caps into high sec, and allowing Caps to fight in high sec are two different issues. CCP could allow one without allowing the other.

Also, why turn high sec into something like low sec? The game already has low sec. Turning high sec into low sec does not add anything to the game as it is already there. If you want to shoot a POS with a Cap, just go to low and do it.

With the current state of dreads and carriers, yeah allow them in high sec. LOL At the POS conversation.

Dreads: Seriously, what is the issue with these in high sec? They are not immortal, there is no reason to treat these as immortal. A properly fitted dread, meant to do what dreads are meant for, structure/cap bashing. Will die to 20 cruisers. Stay under its guns, you know that mythical tracking thing that highsec dwellers and null-bears know nothing about. Any small group of scrubs can take out a Moros/Rev by being under its guns and letting it cap out. What about a phoenix/nag? Oh no! I have to remove my salvager for a neut. Sad days.

Carriers: Lul Triage. Ever hear of a curse? What about the changes to the geddon they did some time back? If you are expecting a capital in your wardec fight. Bring neuts, cap out the triage completely. Then go to town on the subcaps.
Fighters being used. Thats cool, shoot them if you have ships big enough on field for them to wreck. Not really a hard concept. Though, let us be honest. When I use 10x fighters on a POCO, I do less damage than when I am just in a Talos. Carriers are useful in fights when you are either a triage or guardian/slowcat carrier using a mix of drones to your advantage.

Using the slowcat/guardian carrier doctrine I could see getting out of hand. Though, how many people in high sec could actually run that effectively? Really, how many non-low/null sec entities could run that to the scale where it would actually put carriers into that "immortal" stage in high sec? Sure, it will take 7 days to train an archon to level 4, another 6 or 7 days each for RAR and REE to 4. So, since you wont need the JDC skill (in theory) you are looking at 30 days to train, (to include capital ships). Now you need to get the archon. Now you have 1 person with it. Lets say in theory you actually have 10 guardian/slowcats on field with 10 armor BS, armor links and some HICs.

Lets look at the counter, so you see those ships on field with your neutral eyes. First thought HICs. Just to keep the caps there. You dont have the ability to bring in capitals of your own without these guys running away/docking up but you still want to fight. So lets get some EWAR with a 4 or 5 rooks/falcons/scorpions to make the carriers lose lock. Maybe 2 or 3 wont be jammed so you will be fighting against reps though still breakable. Get some logibros together so you actually have reps of your own. Since you are bringing scorps you will want to bring armor DPS to compliment your (armor) scorps and HICs. Keep your ECM spread and on constant watch on the carriers. This is -not- to shut down their "epic" DPS numbers it is to shut down their RR capability on their subcaps. Now just sort out your damage.

The entire idea of capitals in high sec is not that bad of an idea. I mean you will have to bring in your own capitals via gate. There is not WTFCYNOUP drop in 100 to counterblob. You would have the same war dec profile as a lowsec fight but you have to plan out more and watch less. You will have less in-game mechanics to worry about. Capital ships get taken down by lesser-tier ships often.

Now, in regards to Titans and Supercarriers. yes, leave them out of high sec. A titan has absolutely no use at all in high sec. None at all. Need to get supplies into lowsec? Get a jump freighter like the rest of us. A supercarrier has less use as they are useless for a POS bash. There is no sov-structure to grind in high sec. Without a cyno to jump to a supercarrier would be only beneficial in a capital fight if it was already in system and even then, it would be greatly overpowered given its EHP and spider tanking abilities with EWAR immunity.

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Oh they will just jump out after their triage/siege cycle though!! :: Train Heavy Interdiction Cruiser and stop being bad.

You can't break a carrier in triage!! :: You're a horrible player. You can break anything in this game by shipping into ships with certain roles. The only thing you cannot "break" is supercarriers unless you are straight out-damaging their reps, which is damn near impossible with enough of them put together. Hence why supercapitals need to stay out of high sec.

Dreads will 1 shot any battleship that goes against it! :: No. Get under its guns. If you think dreads just 1 volley off BS go ahead and look at my Navy Apoc loss from a few days ago. There were three dreads on field. 2 died, 1 got out. We suffered no Battleship loss from dreads at all. (well maybe one but I am pretty sure he died to the T3s/Mach combined fire and not the dreads)

It will make missions easier than they are with carriers!! :: Carriers cant use acceleration gates.

You can assign fighters! :: Talos would be more effective than fighters, get it banned from HS as well. ****, get all Tech 3 cruisers banned too. They are way too OP.

Why care too much about ganks ?
Seriously stop being butthurt about cap in high sec. Supers are OP for their own good and are made for cap killing. Can't kill one unless you get a dread fleet. Fine keep them in low (same for titan)

Carriers dies to BS and even cruiser all the time.
Nado will alpha the carrier or dread really quick once they know their tactics. which is just a bit more costly THATS IT. Cost is not a balancing factor and it has to remain that way.

Carrier for missions ? So what ? High sec doesnt pay anyway.

More people in High sec ? Who cares ? You'll go gank them thats all. Most null sec and low sec alliances are under wardec anyway why care if one of the scrub gets a cap in high sec and gets killed by a marmite or forsaken cruiser fleet while travelling Niarja?

I won't mind the NPC corp having no caps for now. But I'd say stop complaining about DD when they just put that possible in lowsec. No cyno in High equal no hotdrop by fleet of carriers, No DD in high sec either. so YES your freighters are safe from titans (can't go there anyway)

There are ways to kill a Cap. Learn them, try them in lowsec on ratting carrier in gallente space (a few of them out there always ratting)

No.

If 21 catalysts can do 145,022 damage to a Charon. Then you will want to do roughly 811,716 fast gank damage to a properly fitted Moros running hits hardeners. If it is being ganked you will want to account for at least half the damage to be in siege with its repper on. So in theory you will want 700,000 gatling railgun fit ibis' for a dread gank. Obviously for a capital gank you will want to go with the Tornado or Talos. As I do not do anything with ganks other than ibis' I am not sure the math on that but, 700,000 free ibis' is still a hell of a lot cheaper than a dread.

Exactly, don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

Most new players are in NPC corps to start with anyways so they are protected from war-decs. As for ganks, yeah it's going to happen but not by capitals. You want to lose your 5 Bil + capital to Concord ganking a new player in a cruiser? If they are not in an NPC corp then their corpmates need to educated them on what to do/not do during war time.

Caps themselves are ALMOST gank proof, the logistics getting the number of gankers required and then the ISK lost to Concord's destruction will greatly reduce the odds of it ever happening. Ok maybe a LOL fit, AFK, agressed cap, but not a properly fitted cap with a concious pilot.

If capitals fight in hisec it's gonna be against other caps, POSes and warring corp fleets. There will be the occasional mission runner NPC battles as well.

never again. dreads and titans in 1.0 systems

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Unless they get a permit from CODE ????

Uhm, what? No, 5 carriers will die to 50 batteships. Horribly.

If it means I can try mission flip a carrier or super carrier in my ishkur I'm all for it.