Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There should be no safe haven/harbor for known criminals. Put simply, if any eve player can shoot at another player without concord intervention (-5 sec status or lower), that player with a low sec status should not be allowed to dock in any .5 or higher station or enter a POS bubble within a .5 or higher system.

This could fall under harboring a known fugitive, a fairly common law in the real world. Since a player who has a criminal status is known to the systems and star-gates, that information should also be propagated to stations and POSs.

What this would do, is force criminals into low sec to purchase/fit ships. Force criminals to respawn in low sec systems. Basically restore some balance to High Sec. Basically, as a criminal, you can move around in high sec, you can still gank in high sec. You just have no place to dock, and no place to go AFK in high sec.

I do not believe that High Sec should be 100% safe. I do think it should be safer than it is. If ganking is your thing, more power to you, but I believe you should have to work a little harder for it. Yes, there is a lot of work that goes into ganking a freighter, however there is little to no skill involved in ganking a mining frigate/barge.

To match this, there should be larger penalties for ganking, partially based on value ganked. Larger sec status hits.

I am sure there will be those who will decry, "But game mechanics... bla bla bla." It is a tired argument, allowing criminals safe harbor in high sec is a broken game mechanic. What is the point of security status, or criminal status if it is not utilized by NPC stations in game, or POSs utilized in high sec in game?

Then there will be the ones who say, "How will we buy and sell stuff?" Just like the gankers excuse for being able to blow up freighters. "This is a social game, they should have some support with them, or at least an in corp alt that can provide support." The same applies here, you can use an alt, or a corp mate to buy/sell/deliver needed items to/for you. If your corp/alliacne is all about ganking they can seed markets in low sec locations for the stuff that you need.

Access to stations is solely at the discretion of the alliance/faction/empire that holds sovereignty over that station. If NPC corporations and/or factions don't disallow access to their stations to pilots with -5 and below faction standing with them, they certainly won't disallow access to their stations to pilots with -5.0 and below standings with another faction, even if it is CONCORD.

Access to POS bubbles is solely at the discretion of the corp that owns the control tower. I highly doubt that any game mechanic, aside from having an active criminal flag in hisec (in which case they will be relieved of their ship in short order anyways), would ever prevent a pilot from accessing their own POS assuming their corp allows it.

tl;dr: No.

Riiite, it is not as safe as it once was. I get it, people are bored. Have your fun, but there should be a cost associated with it. Other than losing an ~8M isk ship.



Bah, I have only been ganked once (life happens, if you cannot afford to fly a ship, don't fly it). It isn't the ganking that bothers me. It is the prevalence thereof that bothers me. I feel there should be real consequences to criminal ganking.



In high sec the rules are a little different, such as, there is a tax charged for installing jobs on a corp/alliance owned POS in high sec. As such, harboring a criminal in an NPC owned station in high sec could become a decree of CONCORD, and the same could be followed for High Sec POS bubbles. As there are other rules around high sec pos, their deployment, and their usage in high sec.

As I stated, standings should have no effect on this proposed mechanic. No Safe Harbor for known criminals. Once your sec status is above -5 you are free to dock anywhere you are allowed.



Never played STO, I have been an eve player since 2007.

When you fly around in a pod, about the only thing you have to worry about is a insta-locking ship on the gate, other than that no NPC will mess with you in a pod.

I have watched how a lot of gankers move about in game, I am not saying all of them do this, but a large majority do (again from what I have seen). They pod to a target system, have an alt in system with a high sec status to fly their stuff in, transfer it in station to ganker, undock and hunt. Ship gets popped, wait out agresion timer, dock, get another ship, lather rinse repeat.

No it isn't that hard when you travel by pod.

Like I said until you have done it, you are not in any position to judge whether something is hard or not. Go do it then come back and tell me how easy it is. We can talk all day long but it doesn't mean a thing.

People with low security status don't need to enter a station or POS to get ships in high-sec. They can instead sit in a safe spot indefinitely in their pod (Faction Police won't care unless they are in an actual ship), have a neutral Orca (either a friend or alt character) deliver the gank ships to said safe spot, and as soon as a target appears everyone will jump into the ships and warp to it.

And like Paranoid Loyd said... ganking with low security status isn't as easy as you think. A lot of planning, preparation, and scouting has to go into it for the odds of success to be reasonable... assuming, of course, that the target isn't dumb and has put in an equal amount of time, energy, and effort into protecting themselves (which most don't).

+1 to the OP. The slap on the wrist punishments for career suicide gankers in highsec is absurd. Either don't let them dock, give them a longer aggression timer (6 hours or so seems right), or have CONCORD chasing them instead of the Faction Police. The carnage in Uedama over the last few days is decisive evidence of why the system is broken. -10 sec status sitting in dockup and getting warp ins from their neutral bumping/scouting alts. Rinse and repeat every 15 minutes with no adequate response from CONCORD. Talk about a completely broken revolving door justice system.

This change would not make highsec 100% safe, it would just force gankers to actually pick valuable targets, and to do some PvE between ganks, instead of just running a 24/7 gank service. Imagine actually doing activities sanctioned by CONCORD instead of just poking them in the eye.

No more ganking criminals lurking off the Jita 4-4 undock? Sweet!

Do everyone a favor and uninstall the game, after deleting your character. EVE does not need your kind of "player".

I think high security space is way too safe, so no.

yes you have concord punishment but that's it for capsuleers.

Belt rats should be a genuine threat to mining barges just like gankers, so tougher rats at belts as pirates are supposed to be criminals too.