Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Increasing velocity and nerfing flight time causes desync, according to a CCP post of old. This might have changed, but given they also said "no" to a general speed boost as well, I'm inclined to believe it's still a technical limitation.



The missile's velocity has nothing to do with it's explosion velocity (i.e. applied damage).

Anyway, not supported, rockets, standard missiles, HMLs, and (arguably) HAMs and torps are reasonably well-balanced right now, so I'm opposed to any general missile buff as opposed to one focusing specifically on the missile systems that desperately need work (cruise).

Stopped reading here. EVE is not even remotely realistic, and using RL figures to justify things is stupidity.
That being said, cruise missiles at the very least need their velocity buffed, as well as a small damage buff.

lol.. Yeah, the winmattar train is definitely rolling.

My thing is though that I much prefer missiles, they're easier to work with as far as ranges, they have all damage types, and torps look really pretty when they go off.

The only problem missiles seem to have is their pvp viability. While I feel missiles are somewhat viable, their flight time is what causes a lot of people to avoid them.

However, once they do hit, they hit pretty hard.

Missiles are more viable for achievement of high speed than cannon, because by keeping operating pressures low engineering a rocket is much easier.

Don't forget every rocket capable of putting a satellite to Earth orbit travels at least 7800 m/s. Achieving such speed in a cannon would present extreme strain of the barrel. Nuclear powered cannon is also unfeasible.

And talking about current technology in a game where people travel faster than speed of the light and are immortal is pointless.

By the way, your ship, it's expelled from a muzzle of a cannon or has rocket engines of some sort?

And yes, missiles need to hit in these fleet engagements where the target can last only for few seconds. That would mean redesign of some missile skills and ship bonuses.

I do like the idea of a higher speed missile. Considering in orbit stuff is 5km/s Many things in space move much faster. As for the desync issue, I wonder if there might be a different way to do it, but still keep missiles like missiles. What might be needed is to remove missiles as an object all together in how they currently work. Maybe like a timer of sorts? The missile itself could be a slow moving visual image based similar to many of the other remote effects perhaps.

Take the target painter style thing, but instead is the glow and visual of the missile moving along it at a specific rate. At a specific time, it will hit, use some sort of calculation to determine collision time. Well, that will still be an object of sort since it needs to compare it's range to target range/distance velocity. Compare every data packet. Hit yes/no?

missiles are already good (almost to good IMO).
- pick the damage type
- range independent damage
- no cap consumption
- they always do damage (no missing)
- no viable counter measures (nobody uses defender missiles)

if you rise dps (or basically anything else) to match turrets they will quickly become imbalanced.

Think it should be more of a specialty ship thing with an increase of speed and drop of flight time.

though a short range torpedo boat getting really close

FYP.

gotta remember to check the units that are being used (a lot of websites pull the 20k milliseconds from the static dumps, and don't bother doing the maths).

The thing you're not factoring about the drake and tengu is

The drake actually has quite low dps without risking a good amount of tank

The tengu has good dps and good tank but if you're fitted for dps and tank, you're pretty much lacking in everything else.

Both of these ships can pull good dps, both can have a large tank, but never really at the same time.

Not to mention with the type of tank and dps fit you're talking about, you lack in many other aspects of pvp.

The drake has to worry about the target having a heavy enough tank to outlast the drake's dps in comparison to the drake outlasting their dps.
A hurricane can vastly out dps a drake, but can't out tank it... However, that lack of dps on the drake's part means that the hurricane may have enough time to tear down its tank.



Overall with this thread.

We can rebuild missiles to be more pvp oriented.

Increase velocity
Decrease flight time
Adjust for factor of accel time
Replace explosion velocity with accuracy.
Revamp explosion radius to also factor targets within the explosion radius instead of just factoring the size of the ship.


Missiles will now be more balanced for pvp, and since the higher velocity of the missiles means they'll better hit their target, then removing explosion velocity and replacing it with accuracy and revamped explosion radius means that it will have the same general effect on the target that it normally would.

The only difference now is missiles will be much more effective in pvp and will actually have a chance to hit those targets that are going over 3km/s.

It's not a buff.

It's a matter of how they apply the dps.

they'll have the same dps, same range, same tank, same blah blah blah.

The only difference is now missiles will just hit sooner.

There are no actual changes to dps or anything