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I've noticed that the majority of Alliances...

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Feilamya
#21 - 2011-11-25 20:02:55 UTC
You pointing your fingers at others doesn't make the situation better for you or for the game as a whole. It only proves my point.
Majora Veneris
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-11-25 20:32:05 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Feilamya wrote:
[quote="Terminal Insanity"]

Now that you know about it, start doing something to change this miserable situation. Start with yourself.

says the forum alt




is the point any less relevant due to being posted by an alt?

[b]A Good Forum Post Is Like A Skirt.... Long Enough To Cover The Subject Matter, But Short Enough To Keep Things Interesting.[/b]

Shang Fei
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-11-25 20:37:05 UTC
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2011-11-25 20:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Sorry, i dont see how im 'blaming others', i was just commenting that most alliances literally do nothing. Blaming ME for that is pretty illogical.


I've been shouting at my alliance's cap pilots to convince them to hotdrop carriers with me... i even offered to 100% reimburse any losses and they still dont want to risk the loss

My alliance finally formed up and tried to attack the WT's who are all hiding in station now (the WT's who wardec'd US not the other way around, before you get angry that im wardecing innocent miners or something)

First action i've had in a week and the only killmail i got was a blue pod (killed him for being an idiot AFK'ing on a lowsec station, giving his bomber up to a random neutral cynabal)

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#25 - 2011-11-25 21:39:09 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Do absolutely nothing.


My corp has been in and out of a few alliances. And i personally have hopped around to a few, and i've noticed one common thing about them: If they arnt a "major name" alliance, they're simply inactive.



Comfort zone. It's a human tendency. It's the reason why people tolerate tyranny, oppression and corruption. It's the reason religious and political parties are followed blindly long after they stop making sense. It's why we have monopolies and oligopolies instead of competition. It's why the majority of people are mediocre. Because they're in the comfort zone.

Once you've arrived and you're "made" and can smash anyone else to pieces, there's no reason to struggle anymore. Taking on that big alliance next door - meh, that's too much hard work. We have our chunk of space and we're happy.
Alain Kinsella
#26 - 2011-11-25 21:39:36 UTC
Have you considered taking your friends and joining Agony or a similar, more active group? There's definitely a market out there for people who can motivate and train others in PvP, and even moreso if you can get them past some of the more common myths about it.

I've had training both under Agony Uni as well as Eternum's "Pwned Factor" corp, and they both have their merits and useful points - despite concentrating on different ship types. But both also have people who motivate and explain the mechanics involved - sometimes while in the middle of a hostile engagement (that's happened with both as well).

I would easily put a ship in harm's way for both groups (time permitting), even though I'm not a member. Same goes for my current corp/alliance, but that's for different reasons (related to my need to scratch the RP itch now and then - too much LARPing I guess Big smile).

"The Meta Game does not stop at the game. Ever."

Currently Retired / Semi-Casual (pending changes to RL concerns).

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#27 - 2011-11-25 21:50:40 UTC
I think you threw everyone by complimenting another organization on the forums. Apparently that is considered bad form here. Smile

I've watched Rooks and Kings for some time now, off an on. Definitely a group to keep an eye on, in a good way.

Down time isn't a bad thing when it's planned and that information is known to the pilots in the alliance... as long as it doesn't go on so long that it becomes the norm. If that happens people either become bored, or start getting so into their inner care bear that they almost resent getting back into the swing of combat.

I've noticed that often there is a lull right before a big expansion as well, so that any changes that occur can be tinkered with a bit in relative privacy. Then once everyone feels they have a handle on any relevant changes things begin to heat up again.

Hopefully that is all that is going on at the moment (LOL attack on Chribba aside) and things will start to get interesting again soon.

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Molly Molotov
Doomheim
#28 - 2011-11-25 22:17:40 UTC
"I'm an alliance hopper, only because no one is active enough for me, furthermore I have made several new players quit because my corp was inactive. I am looking for a new alliance."
Morium Blue
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
#29 - 2011-11-26 10:20:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Morium Blue
Terminal Insanity wrote:


Rooks and Kings seems to have grown really well, and i assume they'll be turning into one of the 'major' alliances soon. Why? Because they DO THINGS! They actually undock, and not just plan to kill people, but ACTUALLY KILL PEOPLE! This is the sole reason i think Rooks n Kings have grown. When i fought them back in fountain with IT alliance, rooks n kings were not very good, but because of their willingness to actually undock and kill, or die trying... they've grown and become very successful.



The loss of your ships has possibly caused some kind of hemorrhage, since some of our favourite fights are from when we took our early T3 gangs into fountain (20 T3, 20 Guardians). We ran at well over 90% efficiency in Fountain and against related forces and the battle report for the big Hoseen fight was particularly well received on SHC. I don't have time to link the archive version but I can find it.

Secondly, we have not grown at all. We hold at around 250 members today, though were over 350 a year ago.


EDIT- I looked up this guy, and all his alts, and he has never engaged Rooks and Kings. His alliance was in fact Blade. , not IT Alliance. Whilst we have never lived in Fountain, as he claims, when we engaged Blade I'm sure the pilots who actually fought us would have a more generous assessment of our performance:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7101925

(random example; their total numbers were over 80 there, including over a dozen caps that survived by log off)
Ur235
Appetite 4 Destruction
#30 - 2011-11-26 10:27:07 UTC
I think you need to look harder at the smaller alliances tbh

hmm

Liam Mirren
#31 - 2011-11-26 10:50:47 UTC
People who are low-effort/**** stay where they are, good and active pilots get annoyed and move on to be sucked up by more active groups. See BOB/IT of old and now PL.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2011-11-26 17:00:32 UTC
Some of what the OP is talking about is true though. There really isn't anything going on in EVE these days. MM and Brick invading Curse but that' not a big deal. Test taking a one=man system in Provi with the required PL scap back-up, but that's nothing either. Sadly, that's ALL that's really going on in EVE.

There was an interesting war going on in WH space between Eastern and Western forces but it seems to have died down. Goons and friends are wondering why their thunderdome didn't work. Not much to talk about really. If it wasn't for the dev blogs there really wouldn't be anything to talk about at all. The regular blogs haven't had much to say either outside of the dev blogs. War in EVE has passed and it seems the gunslinger is passing with it.

Fewer people are doing anything at all. I was shocked to find that some people have actually undocked instead of ship spinning like a reasonalbe person would do. I figure that it's something the kids are doing these days. If you see pilots are undocked in local, it probably just a prank.
SKY2nd
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2011-11-27 02:47:44 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Do absolutely nothing.


My corp has been in and out of a few alliances. And i personally have hopped around to a few, and i've noticed one common thing about them: If they arnt a "major name" alliance, they're simply inactive.

Of all the alliances i've been in, only TEST Alliance, IT Alliance, and RED Alliance were active. These are among the largest in eve, though. Surely, some of the smaller alliances actually do something in this game, besides mine rocks all day?



Who is in a PVP alliance and has only seen one PVP fleet in the past week? And, does any alliance that is active, want 5 really good pvp'ers? =p



If your not happy...... Blink
Ral Darkmoon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-11-27 04:02:27 UTC
Dont know what TEST alliance you joined....Everyone knows TEST isnt active, we are all just bots farming isk all day to support our highsec manufacturing mains.
Donald MacRury
LankTech
#35 - 2011-11-27 06:48:15 UTC
Are you guys still at war with let us sleep! Think its time you put them in there place.
yumike
Doomheim
#36 - 2011-11-27 08:40:34 UTC  |  Edited by: yumike
Terminal Insanity wrote:
T' Elk wrote:
Make your own alliance and threaten anyone that goes inactive.

I tried running my own highsec corp for a while, but i was guilty of the same problem (doing nothing) and we caused a lot of players to quit eve entirely out of bordom. lol


Because it's not as easy as it sounds, Running a corporation (And to a far greater extent, an alliance) isn't a simple task. Keeping everyone doing things, active, will always yield complaints from some and praise from others.

Balancing them is difficult (My alliance never broke 300 members, ~40 online and maybe half that active)

I give too many op's in one week ? I suffer poor attendance for each, I give people a break and get complaints.

Here's a thought - ENTERTAIN YOURSELF. It's not your CEO's task to make sure your entertained 24/7, if we don't have a pos to smash later then i wont be posting an op to sit on a gate somewhere, though I personally aimed 2 roams/week (but in fairness, usually ran one every night)

Sorry to sound like a rant, and to people that say your not a suitable ceo/executor I agree and thats why I gave it up.

Pavel Bidermann wrote:
Some of what the OP is talking about is true though. There really isn't anything going on in EVE these days. MM and Brick invading Curse but that' not a big deal. Test taking a one=man system in Provi with the required PL scap back-up, but that's nothing either. Sadly, that's ALL that's really going on in EVE.


Then do something about it yourself. Don't blame other people for not entertaining you sufficiently.

All I see in this thread is whining because you aren't spoon-fed.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#37 - 2011-11-27 08:50:59 UTC
If you think nullsec alliances are bad you should see highsec.

I put spy alts into alliances with 300 people in them and nobody but me logs in for an a week.
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#38 - 2011-11-27 08:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Zions Child
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If you think nullsec alliances are bad you should see highsec.

I put spy alts into alliances with 300 people in them and nobody but me logs in for an a week.


I know, right? How am I supposed to commit epic corp/alliance theft/espionage/trapping when there isn't anybody actually playing...

EDIT: Epic because of the tears, money is just a side benefit. Epic alliance thefts don't tend to bread quite as much tears as e-fame.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2011-11-27 12:50:01 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
If you think nullsec alliances are bad you should see highsec.

I put spy alts into alliances with 300 people in them and nobody but me logs in for an a week.



Protip: Kick everyone from the alliances that logs in regularly .. they have to be spies .. no player is that active and organized!
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-11-27 20:06:47 UTC
If an alliance/corp doesn't have a "dot" at the end of its name OR an o in the name but instead using a 0 it's not a real alliance/corp.

WI./the Initiative./evoke./ev0ke/Northern coalition./raiden./white noise./the 0rphanage/noir.

If an alliancename doesn't have either one of those two qualities it's a dead alliance. So next time, make sure it has and you're with a good group.
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